Monday, January 15, 2007

"Fun Feminists"....


A wise witch of a woman once said unto me “feminism is not fun”. And she is right, feminism is not fun. While it has its fun people, fun moments, fun times, feminism is not fun. It requires work. It requires thought. It requires doing things perhaps one would not normally do, or things that challenge or bother or pressure them in a great many ways. Feminism, and seeing why it is necessary…knowing why it is necessary, and doing what is necessary, is not, over all, fun.

Going to the beach with friends is fun. Seeing a good play with a loved one is fun. Doing something silly and carefree is fun. Fun leaves you with a smile on your face and laughter in your belly and a warm fuzzy feeling in your soul.

Reading about genital mutilation and slave labor and discrimination against women and domestic abuse and ‘she was asking for it’ is not fun. It gives you nightmares, not a warm, fuzzy, soul.

Feminism is not fun, and often, it is downright frustrating. You see, contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as a fun feminist. There are feminists with a sense of humor, and feminists who know how to have fun, but the ‘fun feminist’ (often also labeled the ‘sex-positive’ feminist) is as about as real as the Kraken, Big Foot, and ethical mob lawyers. They are a myth, an urban legend.

Oh, there is little doubt there are divisions in feminism, factions and different ideologies and what not, but that is honestly to be expected. Feminists are after all human, and humans have differing opinions and concerns and thoughts. We aren’t the Borg. And truthfully, I think those differences do not only keep us on edge and occasionally at one another’s throats, but on our toes, which is where feminists need to be, honing their “A Game” for the times they really need it. But it is not fun. And this whole ‘fun feminist’ thing? Yeah, starting to irk me just as much as, oh..say…the term pornstitution.

Listen, I am not fun. I have my fun moments, I have a sense of humor, but I am not fun feminist, and no amount of eyeliner or nudity is going to change that. I know all about jerks and assholes and men who are not so wonderful. In fact, I am of the mind that men who rape, or beat women, or force them into any kind of labor, or molest children or murder could stand a little high velocity cerebral cortex lead therapy. I get sick of men pulling the genetic superiority/ ‘god’s laws’ to justify their bullshit, and I have said as much often…and dealing with that is not fun. And it is bad enough to hear the ‘you silly girl’ patronizing bile out of men, but hearing it from feminists is worse.

You know, not all men are rapist/abusing/asshole/murdering pedophiles, and I am just never going to see how treating those who are not with a bare minimum of basic human respect is bad. It’s not pandering to or catering to or apologizing for, it’s acting like a decent person and trying to find the decency in other people…even the ones with testicles. Respect and understanding are a little like trouble in that regard…don’t start none there won’t be none….

I also tend to believe that, well, you know, feminism has a little something to do with women being seen as humans too, both by men and women (crazy idea, I know.) So when I see “serious feminists” bashing “fun feminists” and calling them barbies and fuckbots/sexbots and glitter girls and lipstick feminists and my pretty ponies, and, oh yeah, stupid, I find myself shaking my head and grinning that not so amused grin and thinking “what the fuck?” How is that humanizing? How is that anything but rude, petty and objectifying? Oh wait- It’s not."

It’s not all about lipstick & leg shaving, people…

You know, sometimes a woman does wear a skirt not because the patriarchy told her too, but because it’s more comfortable. Hot day, skirt, yeah, comfortable. Breezy. Ventilation. Freedom of movement, hell, cuts down on the risk of yeast infections. Ninety-five degrees and humid? Yeah, cotton skirt is going to beat out jeans every time…less sweat, less chaffing, less discomfort…and it ain’t about the patriarchy, it's about practicality. Hell, Scotsmen have been wearing skirts for centuries, why can’t women?

It ain’t all about blowjobs either. You know, they can be given from on top, and sometimes us poor cursed heterosexual feminists like to, oh make our partners feel good. Guys go down too, you know. It’s pretty equitable to share the favor… it should not be women telling other women who, how and when they can fuck. Sure, most feminists actually, you know, like sex…I just don’t see when it became one groups apparently womanly given right to tell other women that they are doing it the wrong way. After all, hasn’t the patriarchy been doing that fine on its own for a long time now?

And arguing with other feminists about this shit is not fun. Having different opinions on what to wear, to paint the face or not, on what consenting people can do in the name of sexual pleasure, or even if a person who was born in the wrong body should get to correct that? Not fun. Interesting, but inevitably collapses into insults and mob tactics. Disagreeing with you does not make us ‘fun feminists’. It makes us feminists with a different fucking opinion. We’re not sucking up to the boyz, ladies, we are…oh…standing up for own opinions.

And at the end of the day, well, I think if maybe one of us “fun feminists” can make sure a woman who is getting beaten by her partner can get the help that she needs or some child does not have to worry about having her clitoris cut out or some woman, mother, does not get her breasts cut off in an ‘act of war’ or some child gets the opportunity to not only learn to read but see a real doctor…well, sorry if that ranks a little higher on my list than if a consenting woman decides to pose in Playboy or take a pole-dancing class.

So yeah, I am sex-positive and like me some porn. But I also know all about how young girls, babies, are getting raped in South Africa because some men are told that sex with a young, pure, virgin girl will rid them of HIV. I know more than I want to about what goes on in the mining of conflict diamonds. I know about the abuses, sexual and otherwise, that face women, children and men in the garment industry, migrant farm labor, and tech based sweatshops. I know about women who get beat to a near bloody pulp by abusive partners. I know about women who get stoned, set on fire, and murdered for the mere accusation of impurity. Shoot, I know what it is like to get beaten myself. Fun fun, isn’t it? Just a barrel of fucking laughs…

If you don’t start crying or screaming first.

So, do us all a favor, take the ‘fun feminist’ label and shove it up your ass, okay? That’s exactly where it belongs, because it is shit.

Feminism is not fun, not even the lipstick wearing sex-positive kind.











39 comments:

Rootietoot said...

Well said! Feminism is supposed to be a positive thing- lifting women up, not pulling them down. The strife is precisely why I refuse to call myself a feminist, and get involved in a public sort of way.

Crankshaft said...

You know what, Ren? I think this is an INCREDIBLE post. I couldn't agree with you more, girlfriend!

You probably know that I am a co-contributor in a blog that was started by a man. He is extremely annoying and a royal pain in the arse. :)

But I ADORE him.

I don't sleep with him but I find it confusing when he is regarded as public enemy number one simply because he is male.

There are lots of things you and I do NOT have in common - nor agree upon. But from reading some of your stuff, you sound like an amazing person.

I personally choose to see all the good in you, and if I can put up with you being you, maybe - just maybe - you can put up with me being well, me. ;)

Anyway, it is really LATE in here, my analysis has completed its run and I am SO ready to get out and home.

Lucy said...

No time to read all of it yet because my gal just woke up - saw your comment on Bipolar View. Your blog looks excellent and I wanted to send along some positive feedback - like I can't wait to read more.

Too bad some morons have treated you badly - glad you're writing.

Amber said...

YES, YES, YES!!

That is all.

belledame222 said...

Meh. Work is fun, can be fun. The attitude that glitter and play is "frivolous" is eminently patriarchal: Calvinist* division, to be more precise. I have no patience for it. "If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution," etc. etc.

and the fact that people aren't "fun" doesn't automatically mean they're more "serious," I'm afraid. sorry. "Taking yourself seriously" =! "everyone else should take you seriously." also, "taking yourself seriously" =! "taking the WORK seriously."

some people would appear to have those confused.

*"How doth the little busy bee
Improve each shining hour,
And gather honey all the day
From ev'ry open flow'r ?

How skillfully she builds her cell.
How neat she spreads her wax;
And labours hard to store it well
With the sweet food she makes.

In works of labour or of skill,
I would be busy too;
For Satan finds some mischief still
For idle hands to do.

In books, or works, or healthy play
Let my first years be passed,
That I may give for ev'ry day
Some good account at last."

Ruth said...

Right on! I'm a makeup-loving, dress-wearing, blow-job giving girly as can be chick, and I make a point of identifying myself as a feminist. I can't stand the younger women (20's, e.g., and I'm 40) who won't use the word to describe themselves because they're so afraid of being seen as militant. I mean, who cares, but look, if fear of that militant image is going to turn women off to hearing the core messages of feminism, what good does it really do to maintain such a radical position? I'm a vegetarian too, but I know I've never seen anyone change their mind about eating meat because someone was in-their-face hardassed about it.

little light said...

Hell yes. Hell yes.
I think we're on the same wavelength right now. Thanks for this.

belledame222 said...

btw, in case you haven't heard:

Kelly likes shoes.

Faith said...

"Yeah, starting to irk me just as much as, oh..say…the term pornstitution."

This one has been getting me, too. I suppose it is essentially adequate terminology...it just seems to have a bite that I can't quite put my finger on.

Renegade Evolution said...

faith, the term is actually being discussed over at queer dewd...which is where that link goes...

belledame222 said...

i assume it originally comes from Dworkin's "I'm a [radical?] feminist. Not the fun kind."

on a related note, also see Tekanji's post on the (bogus) term "choice feminism"

Sage said...

Excellent post!!

But, I got stuck on one line...

You know, sometimes a woman does wear a skirt not because the patriarchy told her too, but because it’s more comfortable.

I also hate the false dichotomy that implies either we're fun and sexy or serious and comfortable. I didn't stop wearing make-up or shaving because I wanted to look ugly, but because I began to appreciate the beauty of my self as is. And sometimes a short skirt can really enhance my beautifully sexy, hairy legs! It's not about not looking good, but about choosing what looks good to you.

markella said...

a short skirt can really enhance my beautifully sexy, hairy legs!

I'm lesbian but even that makes me gag, sorry girl...

belledame222 said...

sheesh. i have no problem with the shaved aesthetic, and i think sometimes it "goes" better with skirts or shorts, depending on what look you're going for, but "gag?" it's just hair, dude. nice, silky, run your fingers-through it hair.

seriously, it's amazing the conventions we get used to. go back a few decades much less centuries and look at the women who were icons of beauty.

nectarine said...

Renegade,

I love the way you write, and I love this post. It really buggs me that some feminists think that it is ALL ABOUT PORN (and I have noticed that they are far more likeley to be anti porn feminists) And they dont seem to be doing activism or educating themselves on other stuff, theres lots I could say but i think i might get excomunicated for being a bad radical feminist or something, but yeah cool post

Renegade Evolution said...

Nectarine & Crank-

Thanks. Even if y'all don't agree with...you know, everthing, esp. that porn thang...it IS nice to see common ground and all...

RosaRose said...

Damn you, Renegade! I’ve not even started my own blog yet and I am already feeling like a total fan girl.

I Nominate This for Best Post…Ever.

Yes, yes, you are an evil, conquering, Henchwoman Patriarchy Fucker (with no soul), but damn girl, can you write! Your blog is like porn for the brain, woman, even without the sex-talk….we writing geeks loooove that…for instance:

“a little high velocity cerebral cortex lead therapy”…

Now I have never heard such an artful, glib, wonderous way of suggesting “A bullet to the head.” Genius….(evil genius of course, but still genius).

Also, in all seriousness, I’ve never liked the term Fun Feminist either. It is a completely diversionary tactic and term, designed to point out codes which are not being followed. Really, in the big picture, how do fights over lipstick really compare to things like mass rape and genocide as a tool of war and hatred? They don’t, at all. Porn does not even compare to that, neither does stripping, blow jobs, leg shaving or breast implants. Men were raping, beating and disrespecting women long before the advent of gonzo pornography and the mini skirt, but it seems some people would like to forget that (when it suits them).

I also see a lot of women who have rejected “standard confines’ of beauty lashing out at women who have not and calling them ugly and it burns me to no end. I am 100% bold big and natural Latina Heat…I don’t shave, I do wear make up, and at 5’,10” I do not need heels…but guess what, Renegade…I think you are a damn striking woman, implants or not, and sure, I would love to have your abs and shoulders. And that look works for you, just as mine does for me.

When in the hell did it ever become so wrong to want to be attractive to the sex you are attracted to, anyway? Can someone explain that to me? I’m bisexual, and I tend to go for really butch women or athletic men…is there something wrong with this? Is it such an issue to have a type or style or body form you prefer? I certainly never thought so.

Bah, Renegade, pornified or not, you kick ass, take names, and dish it straight. That is worthy of respect.

Vera Venom said...

i think the "sex-positive" label is really stupid as well. I'm very positive abot sex, but still a radical feminist. What the hell does "sex-positive" even mean?

belledame222 said...

but the ‘fun feminist’ (often also labeled the ‘sex-positive’ feminist) is as about as real as the Kraken, Big Foot, and ethical mob lawyers. They are a myth, an urban legend.

well, here's why i think it gets even as much traction as it does:

because, and i (and others) have talked about this, the "sex-positive, fun, yadda" stuff gets all conflated with class, and sometimes race. Women who haven't -really- suffered, iow, is what the "fun" is meant to say, there. Besides rape and domestic abuse, i mean: there is the strong implication, sometimes overtly made, that the only women who give a damn about makeup and sex and so on are rich white women.

and that...gets complicated. well, i've talked about that before. especially when it's all wrapped up with the good old fashioned misogyny, slut-baiting, femme-bashing, queerphobia...

in other words, it's your classic recipe for successful reactionary movements. it's just one more way of saying "decadent sodomites fiddling while Rome burns, getting fat off your misery" as far as I'm concerned. when, while it's true that some of the so-accused are upholding class and race structures simply because they're, well? wealthy white women (and men, if we want to extend it back to the usual "cultural elite" business) who haven't really given much thought to all that other stuff and really would rather not, thanks, because it's uncomfortable, -that is at least as true of the "not the fun kind."- On the whole, mind you.

...so, but, all the cries of no we're really fighting the SYSTEM aside, it really isn't at all.

puritanism, or however you want to call it--asceticism, grimness, the "no" impulse--always succeeds when it does because it ties itself to very legitimate grievances: yes there IS a ruling elite; yes they ARE decadent and corrupt and exploiting/ignoring the misery of the vast majority.

and the quickest way to whip up outrage is not so much to say "and this is what we want, demand, for ourselves," but "look at these bastards ENJOYING themselves while we're miserable. FUN. are YOU having fun? have you EVER had fun? can you AFFORD to have fun? no, didn't think so..."

and before you know it, Robespierre's in the catbird seat, or Cromwell, or Carry Nation, and it's all smash, smash, smash the dirty dirty implements of degeneracy (drink, sexy stuff, dancin', carryin' on), because, well? That's relative easy, compared to, you know , overhauling the whole system and redoing it in a way that -genuinely- makes things fairer, kinder, brighter.

UneFemmePlusCourageuse said...

You're probably one of the most rational people I know. Thanks.

Renegade Evolution said...

Vera;

I do believe ZMoG is a rather sarcastic way of seemingly typing 'oh my god'

belledame222 said...

vv: this is about as good an explication of "sex positive" as I've read recently.

Amber said...

Thanks BD, I was about to post in that same link but you beat me to it!

I know some folks think the term "sex positive" is stupid, or includes a tacit implication that everyone else hates sex. I think a lot people who feel that way don't understand what exactly the term means... which is why BL/QD's post is a must-read.

Regardless of what anyone else thinks, I will continue to call myself a sex-positive feminist, because I feel it is the most accurate description of what I stand for. As accurate as you can get in 3 words, that is!

Crankshaft said...

Hey Ren, I've gotta ask. Is that the goddess kali pictured? The bronze one.

Renegade Evolution said...

Crank:

Correct. She is a personal favorite.

Crankshaft said...

Oh my. :)

Vera Venom said...

oh my goodness, I'm a sex positive feminist at least according to the Queen's definition.

belledame222 said...

Queen?

Vera Venom said...

typo.

Cassandra Says said...

(Blows kisses)
I'm not sure what led to the recent surge in "STFU, fun feminists", but I'm rapidly losing my patience with it. You know, I have my reservations about porn, most of them socialist ones (safety, working conditions, etc), but in the grand scheme of things I just don't see why it's so damn important. Hmm, something undertaken by consenting adults that I may not be 100% comfortable with vs FGM or domestic violence, which is more important? I'll give you one guess...
Skirts and makeup? Give me a break. We have more important things to worry about. And by the way? If you think that the fact I own multiple pairs of Manolos means that I'm a bad feminist then you are cordially invited to kiss my ass. Want to tell me who I can fuck, and how? Pucker up baby. I'm not taking it from men, and I'm not taking it from my sisters either.

Renegade Evolution said...

cassandra;

Rock the fuck on!

Love-
henchwoman/porn chick

Cassandra Says said...

And by the way? I suck dick because I LIKE IT, not because I've been brainwashed by the blah blah blah. And I don't care for the implication to other people are in a better position to know what I like than I am. Condescending much?

Cassandra Says said...

Hey, your rants just inspired me to actually update my own blog, so rock on yourself!
Side note - I find it particularly amusing to be lectured about my shoe fetish by someone wearing Nikes. Hey, at least my shoes weren't made by impoverished 8 year olds...
Also, your word verification hates me. gugkoxqs.
(although that is kind of funny)

Vera Venom said...

"I'm not taking it from men, and I'm not taking it from my sisters either."

That about sums up my entire position on the infighting right there. I look at it this way. The only "bad" feminist is one who actively discourages, excludes, berates or shames others who are on their side.

Heels, make-up, liking porn, not liking porn, not shaving - all of it is ultimately besides the point if one is an active, vocal feminist.

wv: lrgifunj

blogger thinks it's funny too

Anji said...

I've just discovered your blog. Where on earth have I been?!

I just wanted to say - I identify as a radical feminist and I am anti-pornography. That doesn't mean however that I feel like I have a right to apply labels or take them away from others who identify as feminists. I absolutely loved this post. You are being added to my RSS feeds post haste. :o)

Renegade Evolution said...

Anji:

Thanks, and welcome.

Anonymous said...

If you are a feminist and you are not having fun --you are doing it wrong.

Lighten up, Renegade--and think about getting a different job. Blowing strangers for a living sucks. There's a lot more to life than that. Get out of the porn box and see what's out there!

Renegade Evolution said...

Anony: sometimes, I have a blast. And don't tell me what to do for a living. I love my job, I get annoyed by people like you...

got a name, btw?

Amy said...

I finally got round to reading this post in full.
And t'is another good'un, my dear Ren.
You're right: feminism isn't fun. Knowing about the injustice in this world isn't fun. Knowing that feminists are arguing amongst each other in a way which is not sisterly isn't fun.
And it's not all about lipstick and legshaving and blowjobs etc either.
Although I have been known to concern myself with those issues: why shouldn't I? I have opinions, after all. I tend to have opinions on most things, always have done. Tends to annoy some people (fuck 'em).
Heh, reading some of the stuff made me smile. I must be a pretty odd feminist, to be honest. Like, I tend to subscribe to a radical, often old-school/2nd wave-like feminist perspective, and am obviously anti-pornography, hairy-legged an' all, but at the same time, with all the ol' warpaint on me face. Lol.

I must say that I've never been too keen on the association with sex-positive feminism with pro-pornography feminism, as if implying that anti-porn fems are not sex-positive, because I don't think that is true of my views on sex and sexuality. But meh.

Sorry this comment is a bit rambly like, and not consistently relevant, am a bit tired. I always think to myself that I shouldn't go near blogs and comments when tired, but it doesn't stop me.