(this post is being brought to you by annoyance with my trolls and my strange, strange sense of humor.)Yep, that picture right there? That’s porn! Sure, it’s altered a bit, but yep, flat out porn, right there. Me, on my knees, (gasp), sucking dick! Because that’s what I do. Oh, I know, you brazen, shameless, wanton hussy, you! Or, as one of my trolls put so eloquently “You’re a fucking filthy slut”…
Which was followed by: “That is a bad thing.”
And hey, at least that particular troll was, though anonymous (snort), at least brave enough to throw out their opinion outright…no clever attempts at disguising their feelings or opinions behind concern, or doing the whole “well this is what other people think of you” thing…which is so much more than I can say for other creatures lurking under the bridge. You know, people who would never call a woman, due to their noble minds and high principles, a filthy slut or a dirty whore or any other such horrible, misogynist, mean or degrading thing! Never never never…at least not to their face, or in public, or, well, you know, outright. Because it’s just not done. We don’t shame women! We don’t degrade them! At least not in a straightforward manner.
Casts eyes and arched brows in the directions of…well, you can probably guess the direction. Hint: The straightforward manner is so much more honest…
So then yesterday, MizRosaRose, who, oh, really, really dislikes gonzo porn, yet manages to get past all that and all, says this here at MVTV in response to TaraTroll…
“I’ve also noticed Ren doesn’t much care if people call her a slut, whore, cumdumpster, ext. It doesn’t seem to rile her up in the least. After all, she does get called those sorts of things for pay and for a living. So, I suggest that if people really want to get to her, they should come up with better insults and names. The degrading porno speak pretty much rates a “yeah, and?” out of the Renegade, if you’ve not noted. Even slightly more sinister yet clean taunts such as “pornographer” or “pimp” or –damn-, even “rapist” have not seemed to make her shudder much. She even seems to be amused by “vile”, “insane” and “soulless” at this point. So, trolls, you need to do better! Try harder! Come up with something really good and original! Shoot, maybe we should have a contest for it!”
And you know…she’s right! I don’t give a rat’s ass if people- anony trolls or Tara Trolls, or Upstanding, Concerned Feminist Citizens or whoever thinks that I am a fucking filthy slut. Nor do I care if they think it is a bad thing…
Because I don’t. I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Hell, I rather like being a fucking filthy slut, thanks. Yep, right here, dirty whore pride, alive and well. I happen to like fucking and sucking and dressing on the sleazy side and gettin’ all carnal and sweaty…and then saying, on occasion, “thanks, now get the fuck out”. I am the poster girl for Raunch Culture, after all. Sex rocks my world and hell if I am not going to have it. Hell if I am not going to enjoy it and get off on it. Hell if I am going to burden myself with deep emotional connections or intimate feelings when all I really want to do is, well, fuck. And hell if I am not going to get paid for it. A lot of people, of, um, a certain feminist mindset, will say “why not just give it away”? Well kids, I do that too, but I always figured if you can get paid to do something you would do for free anyway…why not get paid for it?
Oh, Ren, you twisted little capitalist mercenary you!
And yeah, I understand there are people in this world, both in and out of the sex business, that have to or are forced to do the things I like and hate it. A lot of them, actually. I acknowledge that, and guess what, if you have not figured out that I oppose that, you obviously cannot read. I even say that what I do can have negative effects on other people. Can. Might. But really now. Other people’s bad acts? Who is responsible for them? Hint here…not me. And in the interests of understanding and all? Well, I detest the idea of monogamy and missionary sex and hairy legs and not dressing like a slut…it would affect me negatively. It would make me miserable. And I look around at a lot of other people, homosexuals, BSDM enthusiasts, bisexuals, exhibitionists, other assorted “pervs and freaks” and I think…well, what about them? What about us? I am one of those people…and guess what, y’all, we’ve all suffered too for our sexuality. We’ve been stereotyped, called sick, cast out by family and friends, insulted, made to feel bad or lesser or wrong for liking what we like, doing what we do…and we still are far more so than…oh, the woman who is straight, not a slut, not into BDSM, or otherwise unconventional. Yeah, there is a pressure for women to look sexy, dress sexy, be sexy…and yeah, I probably contribute to that. But there is a pressure for that same sexy woman not to be, well, you know, really into sex…a slut…unless it is for Her Man. There is pressure for her Not to Make Other Women Look Bad. You know, that whole “Sluts like you make the rest of us look bad, feel bad. Because of you, you sleazy, porny, stripper, swinger, dirty little whore, all men think all women are like that!” thing? And I just have to say, Um, No, We Don’t. We’re the minority, we freaks. I don’t make any other woman look like a slut anymore than “normal women” make me look like an accountant, or a nurse, or schoolteacher. Oh yeah, and by the way, I am a slut…so what, I am not supposed to be because it makes you look better – less unseemly and whorish-, maybe, possibly, in the eyes of some men?
HAHAHAHAHHAAHA. Oh please, spare me the puritan bullshit. You speak for you, reflect you, and set forth your own image…not me. Hell, I don’t make you look “bad” anymore than you make me look “good”.
So yeah, you go ahead and make sure your shirt is modest enough so your tits aren’t hanging out and that your skirt is long enough that you don’t flash any ass and that your footwear is reasonable, and I will do the exact opposite, so we never, you know, get mistaken for each other….you not fucking filthy slut, you!
102 comments:
"make sure your shirt is modest enough so your tits aren’t hanging out and that your skirt is long enough that you don’t flash any ass and that your footwear is reasonable"
If only it were that easy!
What I want to know is, what *would* offend you? I'm thinking something that could imply you're a poseur of some sort, because that's about the last thing you could be called...still, the mind wonders...
Well shit Rootie, I am not gonna TELL what would offend me now, am I? That would make it too easy...
and nah, I was goth in highschool, the whole poseur thing? Soooo 1989!
ehem...lessee...
I'm trying
"your life would be so much easier if you'd just wear a denim skirt and bake lemon squares for the middle school teachers. For petes sake try to look normal!"
I'm sorry...I can't come up with anything creative. It's either obvious or lame.
"And I look around at a lot of other people, homosexuals, BSDM enthusiasts, bisexuals, exhibitionists, other assorted “pervs and freaks” and I think…well, what about them? What about us? I am one of those people…and guess what, y’all, we’ve all suffered too for our sexuality. We’ve been stereotyped, called sick, cast out by family and friends, insulted, made to feel bad or lesser or wrong for liking what we like, doing what we do…and we still are far more so than…oh, the woman who is straight, not a slut, not into BDSM, or otherwise unconventional."
Thank. You.
The way these people talk you'd think I'd own my own limo by now for delighting in "patriarchal" sexuality.
Nope.
I don't even BOTHER telling some people that I really want to settle down with a long-term partner any more, because I got so sick of
"well, if you want that you HAVE TO look in the straight world, because all sadomasochists are flighty sluts. oh and you're probably harming yourself psychologically by continuting to hang out with THEM PEOPLE"
yeah, any and all of my friends who fuck in a non-approved manner all sux0rz. right.
it's as if no one else wants an LTR and as if wanting an LTR and also enjoying casual play HAVE to be mutually exclusive for EVERYONE
and one chooses:
NORMAL or NOT NORMAL and then follows some script, courteously provided. and any deviance from one script or the other is not your humanity, but your inability to follow the Goddess-damn directions.
fuck a bunch of that noise yo.
"“Sluts like you make the rest of us look bad, feel bad. Because of you, you sleazy, porny, stripper, swinger, dirty little whore, all men think all women are like that!” thing? And I just have to say, Um, No, We Don’t. We’re the minority, we freaks. I don’t make any other woman look like a slut anymore than “normal women” make me look like an accountant, or a nurse, or schoolteacher"
right. on. right. on. right. on.
"It's either obvious or lame."
But funny!
Ren,
I know under that mask of sluttiness is really a good monogamous girl who wants to make love with Mr. E on a blanket of rose petals, under the stars, and Phil Collins playing in the background....
**How did I do?**
sassy:
heheheheeheh, well, I do actually like Phil Collins...
shhhh, me too.
how's celine dion then?
Sassy: Eww. Not offensive, just...well, puke worthy???
Hi Ren;
I’m an off and on lurker, male, porn watcher, and I have to say you rock. This post is so true. I don’t look at all women as one way or another, they show and tell how they are by their words and actions. Sure, I might think a woman who is dressed revealing might be looking for male attention more than a woman who isn’t, but I don’t think that means she necessarily wants to have sex, let alone sex with me. Also, granted, I’ve not been with a woman who was into rough sex or anal sex or multiple partners, but I can believe there are women out there who are, and even though I do watch porn, I’ve never figured that just because the woman in the movie is doing that means a woman I might be with will want to.
It kind of upsets me that some women give a lot of men so little credit. There are asshole men out there, guys who don’t care what the woman wants or likes so long as he gets his, but that’s not all men, not even all men who watch porn. My tastes in porn are actually a lot more softcore than your own, and if I ran into a woman who liked what you like, I don’t think I could do it. I’d rather kiss a woman than spit on her, I’d probably freak out if she wanted me to call her names or slap her, I’d be really uncomfortable with a whole lot of that stuff, some of which…well, no offense to you or other people who like it I think is kind of gross, like pissing on someone or the gaping anal or bukkake or that stuff, but as an adult you have a right to do that if you want. Sex, of any kind, is not bad so long as it works for the people doing it. And I figure that’s the way it should be, like you’ve said you’re not really into girl on girl so you don’t do much of that…and that is a huge market, so in my head, that sort of blows the theory that your some “willing to do whatever to please the men” type.
Also, sure I’m a guy, but I think it’s pretty cool when a girl is happy enough with her body to show it off and doesn’t get pissed off when other people (men) notice she looks good and, well, look. I do have a question though, considering you like dressing revealing, and are pretty sexually blatant, how do you handle unwanted male attention, or people who know your “rep” that you are not attracted to thinking you will have “gonzo” sex with them?
Mark32:
Hi and welcome...btw..I will be highlighting your comment to prove a point, just warning you now, but to answer your question:
"I do have a question though, considering you like dressing revealing, and are pretty sexually blatant, how do you handle unwanted male attention, or people who know your “rep” that you are not attracted to thinking you will have “gonzo” sex with them?"
If it's just looking, it doesn't bother me. When it goes beyond that, I try to be polite and say I am not interested, if they persist, yes, I will get nasty...only as much as is required, though. As for guys thinking because I like that kind of sex that they get to have it with me, well, I pretty much handle that the same way. I will politely tell them they are not my type, or I am not attracted, and if they don't listen, well, I follow the same formula...at least in my private life.
Well, what offends ME is all the shit Ren has highlighted... telling other people how to live their lives, assuming you know what's right for everyone, not acknowledging that when there's a finger pointed at someome, there are 3 more pointed back at you. That kind of thing.
RE:
You can walk around naked and line up a que for men who want to fuck you for all I care. You can bask in your raunch and dirty whore pride as much as you want. You can flaunt your athletic ass and fake tits and waxed pubic region until the end of time. You can do all those things, but don’t pretend for a second that it doesn’t impact other people. You and the other “freaks”? Yes, you face your fair share of problems and discrimination. Personally I do not care for BDSM, but if people want to engage in that in their homes, or at their parties, I’m not trying to stop them. If you want to get throat fucked and slapped around and called names in your bedroom or at your parties I don’t care. I wonder about why you like being treated like that, among other things, but that’s your business. My problem is that you sell it. You film it, you put it on the net, which even you say is too accessible to minors, then you pay lip service to what influence it can and might have on some people, yet continue to do it anyway.
What about your concerns voiced in your review of “Pornified”? What about the plea you made in your sex education post? You don’t want porn to be sex education for children, but that doesn’t stop you from making it and putting it on the Internet, where it’s undoubtedly seen by minors, who, as you say, have no other sex education, and adults who have very distorted and twisted attitudes towards women. Mark32, the “typical” porn viewing man, is not watching you, is he? He is watching things that are more softcore and he finds what you do to be too much. Do you honestly think the men logging on and watching you get slapped around, double penetrated and urinated on just have a natural appreciation for conventionally attractive women and want to watch them having sex?
You’ve expressed the notion that you do not at all like the idea of young kids, girls and boys, seeing what you do in porn. But they are seeing it. Your type of “gonzo” is everywhere. Boys are seeing surgically altered women dressed in skimpy clothing being used and abused by men, often groups of men, disrespected, treated like toilets, and without so much as a condom, let alone consideration to the woman’s feelings. They are seeing women get pawed, having their clothes pulled off, pushed around, passed around, penetrated in every hole and ejaculated on. They are seeing them get slapped, spit on, spanked and having their hair pulled. So are girls.
And this is okay with you, because it is solely someone else’s responsibility (not yours, in the least) to insure they don’t see this?
Or is that just another thing you don’t give a fuck about?
Oh, and what about the 14 year old girl who does dress like you, and does get mistaken for you? You have been to a Mall recently, haven’t you? The majority of young girls today dress like strippers, and they have no idea the implications, the real world implications, and consequences, that can go with that. No, you are not responsible for that, but you do contribute to it.
And no, I am not Witchy Woo.
Dear Tara:
It's "queue."
No Love,
Trin
Oh, and what about the 14 year old girl who does dress like you, and does get mistaken for you? You have been to a Mall recently, haven’t you? The majority of young girls today dress like strippers, and they have no idea the implications, the real world implications, and consequences, that can go with that.
Gee, when zee old patriarchy was strongly against that...2nd-wave feminists shouted "THAT'S OPPRESSIVE!"
They actively fought to "liberate" women from such "oppressive patriarchal" codes of sexual behavior.
But now when their "liberated" teenage daughters dress like unpaid hookers...all of a sudden feminists are now upset and blame everyone but THEMSELVES.
LMAO. Can you get any more childish?
Tara:
Don't bring my tastes in porn into this. I just don't find what Ren does, or the majority of gonzo, arousing. I can see why it would turn some people on, I'm just not one of them. I don't like pain, at all. I don't watch femdom either.
Ren:
Those sound like reasonable responses to me. I bet you are probably more patient with some people than you really should be. That goes for on your blog and in real life.
Tara:
"And this is okay with you, because it is solely someone else’s responsibility (not yours, in the least) to insure they don’t see this?"
As I've said before, my job is adult entertainer. Not sex educator, not hall monitor, not morality police, and not the parent of every kid out there with a connection to the net...
Byrd:
There is a difference between sexual liberation and dressing like a male dominated sex industry tells women they should dress because it's cool and sexy.
You confuse me, Byrd. You seem half the time to be very anti "slut", you, on your own blog, write often about the damage "sluts" do to women, men, society, and the world at large. In fact, you seem not to like "sluts" in the least. Then you turn around and defend RE, and she is a slut, the very type of woman you mock on your own site. I find this curious.
Tara:
Don't bother trying to get Byrd to make any sense. Compared to him, *you're* Einstein.
Oh, and what about the 14 year old girl who does dress like you, and does get mistaken for you?
Wait wait, somebody's mistaking a 14 year old for Ren?
Now THAT'S a laff riot!!
And, anyway, even we ARE going to make that rather asinine leap of faith and nod our heads that, sure, mm-hmm, okay, someone mistook a 14-year-old for Ren...
I still fail to see how, exactly, that is Ren's fault???
There is a difference between sexual liberation and dressing like a male dominated sex industry tells women they should dress because it's cool and sexy.
*yawn*
And: Oh my fucking GOD, already! As Queer Dewd said recently, "Why do these people have to be so freakin' predictable?"
Seriously. Are we STILL going through this? Honestly?
I am SO tired of this conversation.
But let's summarize, YET AGAIN, for all the remedial kids... it is possible, in fact, for a woman to dress a certain way - even a way you don't like! even a way you would never consider dressing! - because THAT'S HOW SHE WANTS TO DRESS.
And, also, I keep coming back to what Belledame often says about boundaries.
-erases extremely rude response she just finished typing.-
Okay...tara. Nonetheless, these are all arguments that we've ALL been over many, many, -many- times.
No, I don't know or much care what makes byrd tick, to answer your other question. I also don't understand what makes someone think that this kind of BAD Ren, BAD men, BAD sleaze, BAD BAD BAD crap is going to do any good for you or anyone; it's not like it worked to convince anyone to change their minds the FIRST 12 million times.
then again, I -also- don't even know why I'm responding to you at all, so there is that.
and, so not impressed with the "what about the CHILLLDREEENNNN" gambit. yeah, you know what, a -lot- of things are harmful to children.
Joan Crawfordesque parents ranting to total strangers about how they'd gladly KILL their son if it would keep her dear granddaughter safe (never even mind -all- the creepy implications of that), i worry about even more than the dubious marketing campaigns aimed at teenyboppers. i dunno, i'm just wacky that way i guess.
...oh, sorry for the confusion, tara, referring to another conversation with someone else.
"so we never, you know, get mistaken for each other….you not fucking filthy slut, you!"
If only it was that easy! Sorry, Renegade Evolution, but you make me want to puke. I’m not even a feminist, just a regular young woman who is sick and tired of people making heroes and hip culture icons out of disgusting sluts like you. Do you even know how many guys you’ve let fuck you? Do you remember half their names? What’s so great about letting strangers stick their cocks in you and having big fake tits? You act like being able to fit two cocks up your asshole is a good thing! Wow, there’s something I’d be proud of! I can let two guys shove their penises up my ass at once and I get paid for being sleaze! I let guys piss on me! I let guys stick their fists in my vagina! I let them slap me and call me names! Wow, what a great impression I set! Let me guess, you want to star in the next installment of “Fuck Pigs” or something? Maybe set the world gang-bang record? Become well known for being the biggest slut on the planet? Just what ever normal woman on the face of the earth dreams of, right?
You are such a waste. Smart, probably pretty without the slut clothes, make up, and Barbie doll tits, and you prefer being a filthy whore. There’s female ambition for you.
You are disgusting. And all your little friends can tell me to fuck off or what a prude I am and everything else, but there is a reason that society looks down on women like you, and it’s because you are a sickeningly dirty, foul, nasty slut.
And you and all the easy little skanks out there like you do impact the rest of us, you arrogant bitch.
Melissa g, did you actually read this post?
Melissa:
Feel better now, cupcake? All done venting? Got your slut hate all exhausted for a few minutes? Good, good. Exorcise the demons and all. Then take a deep breath, and realize...your little tirade there? I fail to give a fuck.
Melissa, honey... the purity ball was down the hall, you must have mistaken the the monster phallic symbol that we worship for a cross. If you go back out the door, take a left and walk away from the trail of semen you should find yourself back in sugarplum land in no time.
just remember not to look back, hold your head high, and repress not only your sexuality but other's as well.... and that will keep the boogie man away.
Sorry Ren, but I've had enough of women taking their frustration out on other women. You don't want to participate in such acts, DON'T. As shown by Mark, there are plenty of men who do not expect that of you... nor do they want it. I'm sure your current beau's are not the sort who would dream of doing such degrading acts to you. There are men on both sides of the track, so tell me what is your problem again?
Tara, Melissa, everyone else:
You know I don't like porn. I really don't like the porn Ren does. Truthfully, it scares me. I am literally frightened of it because it is so incredibly hateful. It's so emotionless and empty. It's all agression and disdain, and like Mark32 said, I don't find that arousing. I don't find it sexy at all. In fact, it really gives me the creeps. I do like erotic photography though, nudes, even some photos that have aspects of light fetish in them. My girlfriend has an amazing photo of a woman in a blindfold and a leather corset, sitting, on chair. Her breasts are exposed and her nipples are pierced. She looks very calm, and I actually really like that photo. I would love to see more like it, those solo, almost very fanciful yet not violent fetish images, because I think they are artistic and beautiful. But what Ren does scares me, not because I fear for her, but because of the level of anger in the porn she does.
But just because I'm not turned on by it? Well, that gives me no right to jump all over Ren for doing it and enjoying it. Ren's straight, she probably does not find the idea or visual images of two women (let alone two hairy, natural ones) having sex erotic or arousing, but I've never heard her say people should not do or watch it. She doesn't seem to be into boy on boy porn, but judges no one else for liking it. So why judge her?
You know, I've seen porn like what she does, even some of hers, and it's not for me. When I was younger I saw gonzo on the internet and it upset me, because I found myself thinking "Is this really how men think of women, what they want to do to them? Is this what they are thinking of when no one is watching them?" That really, really messed with me. The idea that men thought of women, all women, any woman, like that, got off on treating them like that, upset me.
I never pondered that maybe there were women out there who got off on it too. And Ren isn't the only one. I was pretty surprised, after doing some digging around, to see that there are more than a few women out there who like this sort of thing...women with dirty whore pride, as it were.
And because they are women, I say More Power To Them! Yay for embracing their sexuality even if other people don't like or get it. We should all be so lucky as to be able to do that.
So yeah...you don't like what she does? Neither do I. But I like her for doing it because she likes doing it, and has never asked nor forced me to do so.
"And you and all the easy little skanks out there like you do impact the rest of us, you arrogant bitch"
Melissa, you'd be better served getting some help for your personal issues than trying to project them onto somebody else. And I don't approve of armchair shrink-ing, either, but in this case it's fairly clear who's got the demons. Please take them elsewhere.
"Melissa, honey... the purity ball was down the hall, you must have mistaken the the monster phallic symbol that we worship for a cross. If you go back out the door, take a left and walk away from the trail of semen you should find yourself back in sugarplum land in no time."
HEHEHEHEHEHEHE.
Hey, Melissa, I don't think you're a prude. I think you're actually obsessed with sex, and you're too much of a chickenshit to own it. Did you enjoy typing all those -nasssty- little magic woids and phrases? Did you hell.
much easier to dump all that bad tangle of feeling onto the slut. That's what she's there for. Did you know that, Melissa? Did you know that you "use" women like Ren as much as the guys do? It's just a subtler form of dumping. no bodily fluids involved. just toxic emotions.
and awfully nice of you to give me permission to tell you to fuck off. I do love clear communication!
Now,
"fuck off."
Say goodnight, Gracie.
...actually, you know what, "easy little skanks" sounds more like MRA talk. (subtle differences, i know, but one becomes attuned to such things)
not that it really changes the substance of my reply if that's the case, you know. What sad, fearful, messed-up little people.
("there's female ambition for you" is a bit odd as well, coming from a, you know, female.
sorry, but this is the sort of shit i used to nitpick happily for -hours- in playwriting class. dialogue, see).
At least you're a full service slut, better than being some lame ass whore who pretends to have morals and boundries!
"I never pondered that maybe there were women out there who got off on it too. And Ren isn't the only one."
Rosa --
yeah. I don't get off on most of what I see on the sites Ren links to but
I do get off on thinking about, and doing, heavy SM. Many of my sexual fantasies, for some reason I don't know and never have, really, are quite violent.
The other week when I played (not all that heavily in one sense, actually), the dude ended up whimpering... making the sort of sad heartrending noise that makes you look around for the whimpering puppy.
and, well, I got off on that.
and he got off on me bringing him to that state, calming him down, and bringing him right back.
sometimes the scary emotions, the frightening shit, is what gets someone off.
i mean i get off on lots of other things... light SM works for me too, as does cuddly loving sex too
but the scary stuff? that excites me. not because i really want to harm anyone (if I'd thought for a moment he was actually crying from REAL fear or REAL bad-hurt, I'd really be upset!) but because... i can explore any part of myself, even the fucked up part, and amazingly, both me and my partner can get off and become closer.
At least you're a full service slut, better than being some lame ass whore who pretends to have morals and boundries!
At least you're a full service anonytroll; [it's] better than some lame ass trollette who pretends to have some sort of point; or spellcheck.
seeing as how that's so:
MELANCHOLY BABY, and make it snappy, buster.
and then I'd like a martini, very dry, please.
Oh, good, so it finally comes out..Ren isn't just a traitor to the sisterhood; she's now a pure "skank" and a "slut" who is polluting the purity of womanhood by dressing and acting to get pleasure for herself.
And I was under the mistaken impression that feminists were supposed to respect the decisions of other women....even if they disagreed with them.
Personally, I'll gladly run with a "slut" like Renegade Evolution than ever face a sex-hating, mean-spirited, pompous ass like you, tara and melissa. And I don't even have to have sex with them, either...she's one thousand times the woman....nay, the human being....that you will ever be.
Oh...and since you have already indicted and convicted the likes of me and Mark as misogynists merely because of our defense of Ren's right to exist (our stated views of respecting women to the contrary), I guess that nothing we can do or say will disprove your straw-based conceptions of us. For that, I will simply respond with a hearty FUCK YOU.
I am simply beyond sick and tired of always having to defend myself as a progressive man and a feminist sympathizer merely because I don't buy into your self-castration fantasies for having sexual thoughts about women I respect and admire....for simply being women. The "pro-sex" women with whom I support and roll with are more than just sex fantasies; they are full HUMAN FUCKING BEINGS with lives, with souls, and with hearts that beat the same as all othe women. I would no more mistreat or disrespect them then I would mistreat or disrespect my own sisters or nieces or any other woman I'd want to meet.
To quote Madonna from her song "Human Nature": I'm not your bitch; don't lay your shit on me."
And for the record, tara....I really, really couldn't give a fuck if you were Witchy-Woo, or Sam or delphyne or Stormcloud or Twisty or whatever damn screecher from the APRF Peanut Gallery has the mic at the moment. It's all same bullshit, different asshole as far as I'm concerned.
Consider this my middle fingered salute to you, tara and melissa, in support and solidarity with "sluts" like Ren. Compared to her, you are like the little men on the wedding cake.
Now..kindly and respectfully...piss off.
Anthony
is it just me or all the trolls failing to grasp that I don't care if they think I am a slut or not? I mean, I am, big fucking deal...
and I don't care if you think I make you LOOK BAD. Sheesh.
Hell, if I REALLY wanted to be offensive...trust me, I could offend your delicate porn sensative fluttering hearts REAL easy...but Rosa might run screaming....
rosarose wrote a comment that partly reflected the mature attitude of Your Kink Is Ok Its Just Not My Kink while still being bewildered and scared by it.
It is easy to confuse content with intent, the superficial with the substantial. You see "anger", "hatefullness", and emotionlessness but those who actually engage in these practices know better. Peoples brains are wired differently. Neurons grow somewhat randomly. So the emotion of sexual arousal can be connected to a feeling of power in one person and a feeling of powerless in another, a feeling of self-esteem or flattery in one and humiliation in another, a feeling of painful stimulation in one and a feeling of light sensual stimulation in another, a feeling of virtuousness in one and a feeling of naughtiness in another. Or combinations including seemingly opposite emotions/sensations. Pornographic or erotic images often capture only one aspect of a complex encounter and frequently the aspect that is not readily available in other sources.
Affection and tenderness are readily availible, for example, in mainstream movies while the nudity, gynecological detail, and sadomasochistic aspects are omitted.
In one type of flogging scene, I like to start by rubbing the bottom's body with a piece of fur to put them in a sensual, erotic, trusting, intimate mood. Then I warm them up with a very sensual flogging that would be pleasurable even to the pain-adverse. I gradually increase to a moderate flogging that feels like a percussion massage. Eventually, I work up to a very severe flogging that releases powerful hormones called endorphins. I often work some comic relief in, as well, for example using a toy that sounds very severe but has a negligible impact. Many different toys, each with a different sensation. Rather than monotonically increase the intensity, I back off a bit and then build back up again. And while I am changing toys, I put my hand on the bottom or caress them or otherwise ensure that we are always connected through direct or indirect contact throughout the entire scene. And afterwards, we cuddle. And we review what worked well and what didn't.
But in the erotic photographs of such a scene, you usually don't see the pre-scene negotiations, tenderness, trust, affection, aftercare, debriefing, warmup, orgasms, altered mental states, etc.. You might see pictures of bruises (which the body evolved to handle) but you don't see that the toys were specifically designed to limit the effects to superficial bruising or that which toys are used, and at what intensity, on each part of the body is based on careful consideration of the physiology (heavy thud, for example, may be used on the shoulder blades and the buttocks but not the area in between where the vulnerable kidneys reside). You don't see the top paying attention to body language, facial expressions, sighs, gasps, groans, moans, purring, shrieks, etc to monitor just how much the bottom can take at any particular moment.
You don't see the negotiation that takes into account personal preferences, medical conditions, emotional triggers (such as past trauma), phobias, fantasies, safewords and signals, etc. You don't see the intimacy. You don't see that I have done these things in front of (or to) doctors, nurses, EMTs, medical students, psychologists, police officers, lawyers, physiologists, engineers, philosophers (including ethicists), massage therapists, first aid/CPR instructors, professional piercers, professors and students in some of these fields, as well as victims of rape, sexual abuse, and non-consensual torture as prisoners of war and the techniques used meet with their approval. You don't see the dozens of related books I have read (or the discussions with the authors) or the roughly 100 related classes I have attended. You don't see that there is an international community dedicated to spreading information on how to do these things in a safe and fulfilling way.
You don't see that I have not hit anyone in anger since I was 9 years old, in or out of the scene. You don't see the wide variety of medical and psychological conditions of the people I have played with and how I adapt to each. You don't see the profound positive psychological and therapeutic effects. You see only what is necessary to trigger the fantasy and not all the training, safety precautions, emotional support, etc. that are added to convert the fantasy into reality.
Even among those who like pain, pain in one context can be good and in another it is bad. If the pain occurs in an uncontrolled or malevolent context where there is potential for permanent harm, the pain is perceived as bad. If it occurs in a controlled, erotic, trusted context, however, a similar sensation may be good. It is also different if it occurs in physical therapy where the assumption is that the body will be healed rather than damaged.
Certain forms of humiliation can be empowering because they show someone that even with the veneer of respectability striped away they are still respected, loved, and/or cared for.
Scenes that may superficially resemble your worst nightmares in the right context may be very erotic, pleasurable, cathartic, empowering, and/or lead to altered states of consciousness. It can be cathartic and empowering to put yourself through certain aspects of a situation you fear might happen to you in the future, showing that you have the strength to handle at least a significant portion of that experience. Repeating parts of a past trauma may build new pleasurable associations that will come to mind instead of the traumatic ones. Sometimes acute pain can distract one from chronic emotional pain. Sometimes you want the pain outside to match the pain inside.
"That we are the sum of our tears; too little and the ground is not fertile, too much and the best of us is washed away." -- J. Michael Straczynski, Babylon 5
- faustopheles
Personally, I'll gladly run with a "slut" like Renegade Evolution than ever face a sex-hating, mean-spirited, pompous ass like you, tara and melissa.
I agree. Someone with some self respect, the ability to deal with the real world and who doesn't blame all her problems on a vast, ghost like conspiracy.
Y'know, much of what Ren writes about is as much 'bragging' about her lifestyle as what I write about is bragging about mine. Much of it's not really bragging, it's an account of what she does and how she thinks on a blog that NO ONE is held at gunpoint and made to read.
I don't like porn, I worry about Ren and what her lifestyle could be doing to her, but that's all based on what her lifestyle would do to *me* if I were to try living it. I know if she tried living my lifestyle she'd wind up in prison or a state hospital for a very long time.
The point is, NO ONE is forced to expose themselves to her. Children run across alot of things on the 'net, not just porn, but bomb-making instructions, how to shave the fireing pin of their semi-auto rifle to make it automatic,how to make poisons, and more. As the mother of 4 boys (3 of them teens, 1 with a strong affection for soft-core porn), I worry about this stuff. Porn alone will not turn them into monsters. It's an ingredient, not the whole recipe. My child's taste for porn bothers me, but he is a fine 19 yr old man in most other ways, so I don't worry about it. Much.
The point is, Ren does things society disapproves of. So what? Why does society disapprove? Are the people she's doing it with consensual? Can you give me numbers as to how many children see her stuff? What do those children do when they aren't watching Ren get smacked around? Watch Teletubbies? Fold the laundry? Where are their parents? Watching Ren with them? At work? surfing the 'net in their underwear in a different room? Leaving their kids alone at home for 3 days while they go to Vegas and lose all their money?
I don't like what she does, but I think to blame our societies issues with women on someone who makes a form of porn that is so very *not* mainstream when there's many much more public figures out there fueling the 'stripper' cult is kinda silly. Take your energy and righteous indignation and put it to work somewhere more practical.
Anthony-
Radical progressive blah blah...do you put that on every post you ever write? The world knows by now!
Can you read, I said I wasn't a feminist, just a woman who is sick of seeing slutty little tramps like Renegade Evolution running around flashing their tits and getting on their knees for every other guy in the metro area because sorry, it's just trashy. There is nothing great about sharing your body with the whole world and having fucked so many guys that you can't even remember how many dicks you've had in you! Sex itself isn't gross, that kind of behavior is!
Most of the sane, civilized world agrees with me, which is why she gets treated like she does.
Sorry, if you act like a bitch in heat, expect people to treat you like one, and if you run around shaking your ass and saying "Yay, I'm a filthy whore!" expect that people will call you one.
Ren, you are a filthy whore. Get used to it, and get used to being treated like one, by everybody with an ounce of common sense! If you interviewed 100 people on the street, they would say you were disgusting, because you are! Anyone who will suck a dick after it's been up her ass? Gross Ren, it's just gross.
MG: You want some cheese to go with that whine? Oh, and if you think AtM is sooooo gross...
Don't fucking do it, you moron!
There is a difference between sexual liberation and dressing like a male dominated sex industry tells women they should dress because it's cool and sexy.
No there's not. The only "difference" is a double-standard generated in your own mind to avoid cognitive dissonance. Even Britney Spears said that her handlers were always trying to get her to dress more conservatively in her videos...but she insisted on dressing more skimpily & provocatively.
Decency codes are all relics of the old "patriarchy," you fool. If anything, the more "patriarchal" a society is - the more decency codes it has for women (like Islam). And the more feminist a society becomes - the more the women behave like brazen sluts.
You confuse me, Byrd. You seem half the time to be very anti "slut", you, on your own blog, write often about the damage "sluts" do to women, men, society, and the world at large. In fact, you seem not to like "sluts" in the least. Then you turn around and defend RE, and she is a slut, the very type of woman you mock on your own site. I find this curious.
There's no contradictions here. I simply note different causes and effects for different behaviors. If you want LTRs or an orderly, stable society with low STD and bastard baby rates - yes, sluts are bad for that. If you prefer more casual sex and sperm competition, then sluts are good for that. In the end, to each their own...IF they sleep in the bed they made for themselves (as Ren does)! But problem with most sluts is that they don't and the taxpayer ends up beta cuckolding for their azzes via our welfare state. And that's NOT FAIR.
Anyhow, the main point I'm making here is the hypocrisy, double-standard and false scapegoating feminists have with sluts & men. Where men were blamed for BOTH "oppressing" female sexuality AND then "amplifying" it.
THAT ridiculous self-contradictory double-jeopardy is what REALLY PISSES ME OFF! And really underscores the feminist mantra of simply blaming EVERYTHING ON MEN, regardless! The deeper issue here is not so much about sex but FEMINIST SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY (OR LACK THEREOFF).
In this aspect, I respect Ren because she assumes the liabilities and holds herself accountable for her lifestyle. She knows what she's gotten into, accepts the risks and doesn't blame others for it or expect anyone to bail her out should any problems arise.
If someone wants to wrestle tigers for a living - fine, just don't get me, Johnny Taxpayer involved! Problem comes in when I have to help clean up the mess you made due to your irresponsibility.
"bitch in heat??" "Melissa G," you know, most people pay the nice 900 number operator for talking to people like that.
whatever. god, it must be troll breeding season or something. maybe it's the hot weather.
Anyone who will suck a dick after it's been up her ass? Gross Ren, it's just gross.
Aha! So I'm gross too. It's quite an exclusive club, isn't it??
GodDAMN but these trolls are BORING.
Amber:
Hell, I will take "gross" considering the alternative...
Hear fucking hear.
"Can you read, I said I wasn't a feminist, just a woman who is sick of seeing slutty little tramps like Renegade Evolution running around flashing their tits and getting on their knees for every other guy in the metro area because sorry, it's just trashy."
Melissa, what is this? If you are "seeing" this happen, you must be watching porn! Or, participating in it. Otherwise, you're not "seeing" anything.
So then what's bothering you? If you're so sensitive to things that you can't see happening, why not worry about stuff like third world poverty? Violence in schools?
Obviously, this hits a nerve with you. If you are so convinced that 100/100 people in the street are similarly disapproving, why let it get under your skin?
A fairly obvious conclusion: you're not sure. You actually suspect that a good percentage may not disapprove. May like what Ren's doing or at least feel she's got a perfect right to do it.
So stop wasting everyone's time if you're not willing to be honest.
"Can you read, I said I wasn't a feminist, just a woman who is sick of seeing slutty little tramps like Renegade Evolution running around flashing their tits and getting on their knees for every other guy in the metro area because sorry, it's just trashy."
Melissa, what is this? If you are "seeing" this happen, you must be watching porn! Or, participating in it. Otherwise, you're not "seeing" anything.
Uh, yeah, what OG said. Unless--well, where exactly -do- you live? Must be some degenerate sink of filth and iniquity. Me, I just live in NYC, so I don't really know about that shit. I -did- see a guy pissing on the street in broad daylight not long ago; but not so much with the flashing tits and public blowjobs.
--oh, wait, I know, you're in New Orleans on Mardi Gras, and you're stuck in an endless time loop like in "Groundhog Day!" Damn. That must suck. That might explain why the apparently inability to learn anything, though. Well--at least hopefully the food is good?
Decency codes are all relics of the old "patriarchy," you fool. If anything, the more "patriarchal" a society is - the more decency codes it has for women
Good God. Byrd makes with the sense!
And the more feminist a society becomes - the more the women behave like brazen sluts...
Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.
but c'mon, OG, how many times does someone like this get to vent the worst words in hir stomach on a "deserving" target? For free, even! You're so oppressive.
Ren, you are a filthy whore. Get used to it, and get used to being treated like one, by everybody with an ounce of common sense! If you interviewed 100 people on the street, they would say you were disgusting, because you are!
you know what this reminds me of?
did you ever see that dumb movie "Grease"? and that song that Rizzo sings? "There are worse things I could do..."
Ren is unfailingly honest and straightforward. She's no liar, she's no cheat. She's a solid citizen, a taxpayer, a volunteer, shit - she probably works as a reader for the blind and reacher for the short.
The only thing that makes her "bad" is her penchant for having butt-wild sex at the slightest provocation.
So, Ren's only a bad girl for having sex if you think having sex is bad.
if you think having sex is good, and having more sex is better, then there's no issue.
if you think having sex is degrading, then yeah, Ren's gonna look like the baddest bad girl who ever went bad.
but the fact that she's decoupled sex from shame is what gets people so tangled up.
You’re my kind of girl! Smart, feisty, and a whore all at once. You call yourself a whore, so I will too, but I think it’s fucking great. You’ve worked hard on that bod of yours, so show it off! I have no doubt that when you walk into a room, cocks get hard. Mine would. I get hard off the pictures you have up here- toned little ass, long hair, big round tits, flat stomach- total fuck toy package. That, when looking at fantasy, in our heads and in porn, is appealing to guys. Most men, admit it or not, love the idea of a hot slut who if they whip out their cocks well get on her knees and suck it, who will bend over with no complaint and spread, who will take a hard fuck and love it. Whether that really is the real you (which it sounds like it is) or just the “porn you”, I think it’s great.
As for all the other crazy shit, the gangbangs, fisting, name calling, multiple penetrations, pissing, throat fucking, so on, well, I think a lot of your feminist haters here would be surprised at just how many women either love that stuff too or love fantasizing about it. If they ever checked out any sex boards they’d find a ton of women who either love or love the idea of being treated like worthless whores, being used like a piece of meat, being degraded and passed around and treated like shit. It’s not totally uncommon. If you are going to support a woman’s right to choose, well, if she chooses to get treated like that, they should support that too, especially if she likes it. You’re apparently not hurting yourself doing this, so a whole lot of people need to shut the fuck up and just let you be your badass whore self.
I am sure I don’t need to say this and some of your readers will say it’s creepy, but I’d love to bang the shit out of you, which is exactly what a stripper/porn slut is supposed to make a guy want to do, so I’d say you are damn good at your job, and I, for one, thank you and the other women like you for doing it.
The world would be pretty boring with no sluts in it.
Quoting the MelissaG:
Anthony-
Radical progressive blah blah...do you put that on every post you ever write? The world knows by now!
Yes, Melissa, I am a radical and a progressive who happens to be sex-positive....I have no need to hide that. Don't like it, just bite me.
Can you read, I said I wasn't a feminist, just a woman who is sick of seeing slutty little tramps like Renegade Evolution running around flashing their tits and getting on their knees for every other guy in the metro area because sorry, it's just trashy. There is nothing great about sharing your body with the whole world and having fucked so many guys that you can't even remember how many dicks you've had in you! Sex itself isn't gross, that kind of behavior is!
Well, Melissa, we all know that you are not a feminist, since not even an antiporn feminist would have such an obsession with dirty words and graphic descriptions of acts you loathe the most as you do, dearie.
Oh...and not even the most promiscuous woman ever needs to "share her body with the entire world"; only with those she is comfortable with will do just fine.
And, BTW...how exactly would you know how many men Ren has slept with, anyway?? Or is that just another one of your windy assumptions about "sluts" that you regularly pull out of your ass??
Most of the sane, civilized world agrees with me, which is why she gets treated like she does.
Ahhhh...OK...so you are saying that since she is obviously a "whore" who is destroying herself and her gender, if by some chance she happens to be raped or abused by someone who happens to share your particular view of her, then she simply gets what she deserves for being what she is and doing what she does....right?? Yeah...that certainly counts as "civilized"...in the same way that torture is just another "civilized" way of fighting Muslim "Islamofascism", I guess.
Sorry, if you act like a bitch in heat, expect people to treat you like one, and if you run around shaking your ass and saying "Yay, I'm a filthy whore!" expect that people will call you one.
WOW..a "bitch in heat". What's next, Melissa...shall we spay or neuter her like a female dog??
Ren, you are a filthy whore. Get used to it, and get used to being treated like one, by everybody with an ounce of common sense! If you interviewed 100 people on the street, they would say you were disgusting, because you are! Anyone who will suck a dick after it's been up her ass? Gross Ren, it's just gross.
Really?? Now, if I showed your comments to 100 people in MY street and asked them what they thought, 98 of them would probably say that you were being a simplistic, erotophobic, pompous-ass bitch who's projecting her lack of getting any on Ren's success....and who am I do disagree with that??
I'll just send the same message to you as I did tara:
Since you know me as much as you know Ren (in other words, not at all), just kindly SYAD, STFU, and KMBA, fool.
Read between the lines.
Anthony
If they ever checked out any sex boards they’d find a ton of women who either love or love the idea of being treated like worthless whores, being used like a piece of meat, being degraded and passed around and treated like shit.
but see, being interested in that sort of things as a means to a sexual end is way different from actually having a partner who abuses you.
which subtlety is often lost on the less imaginative among us.
which is funny, considering Ren herself has explained that she knows the difference from personal experience.
Tara and Melissa:
You can't let this subhuman piece of trash piss you off this much. Let her be what she wants to be, let her think that she's somehow superior to you because she's so "deep" and "self-aware" and can take more cocks in her used up body than you can.
You gotta do as Tony Montana says "point your fucking fingers and say, 'there goes the bad guy.'"
Because that's what she is. She's a bad person. Nevermind her profession or sexual behavior. She's concerned with no one except for herself, contributes nothing to society, sits on the computer all day rationalizing her sad life and arriving at the conclusion that she's perfect. She's nothing, she's a nobody that thinks she's somebody, she ain't shit. And she likes it. Fine. It's actually FUNNY.
Marvel at the issues that she constantly denies she has, when her unconventional behavior is a blatant attestation that she IS fucked up. How someone can derive sexual pleasure from being treated like garbage claim that they DON'T have issues is laughable. And I thought "denial" was a river in Egypt.
She tries so hard to say that she doesn't fit any of the stereotypes of sex workers when she clearly does. Fucked up childhood. BOOM, right there. She's a walking stereotype, but let her think that she isn't, it's all good, just laugh at her.
You've gotta read her psycho-babble and giggle, giggle your motherfucking ass off and be glad that you're not a leech too.
Daddy:
Huh, I have a problem taking anyone with that log in name seriously...I mean it suggests you have a few pervy kinks yourself and all, and for someone who has obviously spent some time laughing at my "psychobabble" you have missed a lot...I mean, I never denied I had some issues, most humans do really, and I am pretty honest and up front about being weird, and yep, sure enough, my childhood certainly affected me, as does everyones, chief.
Oh, and I pay taxes, that counts as contributing to society.
Daddy-
Before you go around calling anyone a leech, let's hear how much time, effort, and money you donate to charities, hospitals, and things like that? How many fund raisers have you worked on, how many "race for the cure" type of athletic events have you participated in?
???????
Ren does shit like that all the time, so, shut the fuck up. Subhuman trash? Look in the mirror, asshole.
Used up? The women is in great shape and looks good.
"How someone can derive sexual pleasure from being treated like garbage claim that they DON'T have issues is laughable."
Uh, this sounds more like a woman talking than a "daddy."
Mark32: Sure, her body looks nice, she spends enough time on it that it should, but she's still a used up slut, no way her vagina or anus are as tight as the rest of her! The fact that she can get fists and two cocks up in there at the same time says she's totally used up there!
wait, someone calling itself "daddy" is concerned about -your- psychosexual issues?
Daddy:
I can't help but get pissed off! This little slut and all the other ones like her make me livid! They think that because they have Barbie Doll bodies and no morals they can do anything! I'm so sick of standing in line at a club only to have to wait even longer to get in because a car load of sleazy whores pulls up and get in because they'll flash their tits or have fucked the doorman! I'm sick of when I finally get in the place is packed with sluts in miniskirts so short they're constantly flashing everyone and half the time they aren't even wearing panties! I don't want to see that! I get sick of wanting to dance but there are all these slutty bitches grinding all over these guys out on the dance floor. I'm sick of going into the bathroom and some whore is fucking some guy in the stall next to me! I'm sick to death of all these people who think strippers and porn tramps are so cool and wonderful. They're skanks who do pretty much anything for money and use their tits and ass to get whatever they want. What's so great about a skinny, shallow bitch who has ugly fake tits that look like balls with nipples, walks around half naked and makes a living letting strangers paw all over her and fucking people on film? There's nothing great about it! I don't and can't find it funny, I don't care how fucked up she is. I really, really hate whores and girls who act like whores and the guys who go for it. Why would any guy want to be with some slut who has fucked God knows how many guys and probably can't even feel a normal sized penis inside her? I mean, do all guys think with their dicks so much that it doesn't matter that she's a filthy whore? Do they not care at all just because she'll flash her tits and fuck them? Sure, she's subhuman trash, scum, disgusting, but I can't find it, or her, or the way so many people seem to celebrate sluts like her funny at all. I just don't get it. She's not stupid, she went to a good school, got degrees, has a whole bunch of other things people work hard all their lives to have, but no, it's so much better to be a completely nasty and disgusting slut. Such a total waste, and I am sick to death of people like her and people who think she and those like her are so great.
I notice that neither "Daddy" nor "Melissa" (or, possibly Melissa-1 and Melissa-2, but even my armchair shrink hesitates to posit that one) has piped up with a list of philanthropic activities in answer to MrE's question. Hmm, if you're so concerned with time wasting, what are you doing here?
Also, Melissa, you're completely unconvincing. Seriously: do some work on yourself. If you're living the clubbing lifestyle, willing to stand on long lines and pee in messy bathrooms, you're not exactly convincing as someone who isn't trying to play a particular "hip" game. It's fairly transparent that you're not above the trappings of hawt-dom, you're just concerned that you may not be pulling it off, and you're blaming Ren for that.
If you are frustrated at your current priorities, then why not evaluate them. But don't project your frustration on someone who might very well be volunteering while you're in line at a club, just because her she flaunts a flat stomach and is a porn performer. Neither of those are inconsistent with the Golden Rule; your behavior, however, is.
Oh, now this is soooo sweet.
Here we have tag team drive-by trolling by the usual suspects who still can't stand the fact that Ren is more human, more woman, and more successful than they ever will be....and thusly grab upon the one thing -- namely, her sexuality -- that they think can bring her down to their level.
Or.....we have a seriously manic-depressive bi-polar individual using Ren's bandwidth to vent her spleen and project her own myopia.
Or....we just may have a serious anti-sex bigot who just doesn't give a damn.
Whatever.
There is a saying that is apopros here:
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bash those who can as "sluts" and "whores".
All I know is this:
Ren's getting not only paid, but getting some pretty good sex out of the bargin.
tara/melissa/daddy, on the other hand, probably.....aren't.
Scoreboard.
Out.
Anthony
AH HA! And now we see Malissa's *REAL* problem here. Not that Ren's a slut, but that she has tried and can't seem to pull it off herself. Get off your high horse. You fully admit you want to be admitted in the "meat-market" clubs. That you want to want to interact with men in these places and then are pissed off when they go for the girls like Ren who are giving them a blowjob in the back. Um....DUH. Seems to me, you were there for the same reason everyone else was. To hook up. You're just pissed you didn't. Let's be honest here, if you really were looking for a long term relationship with some sort of "regular" guy you'd be over at RootieToot's Church Ice Cream Social. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Hell, they're a lot of fun really. Just not what the "freeks" are looking for. We get our fun in our places. I wouldn't be supprise to find out that you're the worst sort of woman in the club, the "cock-tease." You dress like a slut, but the minute you get treated like one you go and get all holier than thou about it. If you don't like the attention don't wear the uniform. Seriously, if you don't like the atmosphere in those clubs why do you continue to go to them? Do you spontiously think they've given up the dark smokey atmosphere for some sort of lighted wholsome, bingo night or something.
And "Daddy" you're worse than an anon asshole. WTF kinda messed up statement were you trying to make with that link?
DJ Carson D:
"AH HA! And now we see Malissa's *REAL* problem here. Not that Ren's a slut, but that she has tried and can't seem to pull it off herself. Get off your high horse."
WRONG, and it's Melissa. I have no desire to be like Ren. She's scum.
"You fully admit you want to be admitted in the "meat-market" clubs."
Most clubs are meat markets, where I live anyway, and if you like to dance, that's what's there, you idiot.
"That you want to want to interact with men in these places and then are pissed off when they go for the girls like Ren who are giving them a blowjob in the back. Um....DUH. Seems to me, you were there for the same reason everyone else was. To hook up."
Wrong again! Some people don't go to clubs just to get fucked! Some people go to have a drink with friends, dance and listen to music. Not all of us make our lives revolve around who we're going to screw every night. We're not all sluts you know.
"You're just pissed you didn't. Let's be honest here, if you really were looking for a long term relationship with some sort of "regular" guy you'd be over at RootieToot's Church Ice Cream Social. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Hell, they're a lot of fun really. Just not what the "freeks" are looking for. We get our fun in our places. I wouldn't be supprise to find out that you're the worst sort of woman in the club, the "cock-tease." You dress like a slut, but the minute you get treated like one you go and get all holier than thou about it. If you don't like the attention don't wear the uniform. Seriously, if you don't like the atmosphere in those clubs why do you continue to go to them? Do you spontiously think they've given up the dark smokey atmosphere for some sort of lighted wholsome, bingo night or something."
Who says I don't have a relationship with a regular guy? Funny that you think you know everything about any woman who goes to a club. Just because you think they are all sluts like RE doesn't mean they all are. I am no cock tease either, thank you. I don't dress trashy and lead guys on or expect them to do anything for me, and your whole "Clubs are only for freaks and sluts, stay out if you don't like it" mentality is really screwed up. Regular night clubs aren't sex clubs, even though people like RE try to make them that way.
Get a clue.
Oh, how I weep for you, dear Melissa. Imagine having to wait in line at a nightclub. Imagine the bouncer letting someone "hotter" in first. Imagine a -nightclub- being -shallow.- The horror. Life is, indeed, so, so unfair. Yeah. Have you ever considered, I don't know, donating time at your local homeless shelter, AIDS hospice, some shit like that?
I mean, what is the world coming to? Next thing you know, we might learn that the conventionally pretty blondes get picked for the cheerleading team and the sororities and friggin' Prom Queen first.
God, is this like the womens' division of the MRA's? "Boo hoo, I'm not popular like the world owes me." Grow up!
Why would any guy want to be with some slut who has fucked God knows how many guys
Maybe because, I don't know, unlike you, the "slut" in question isn't a total fucking asshole?
...hey, Ren, didn't you have some Bizarr-O woman who talked like this before? some quasi-Christian or something? I mean, I hate to think there's more than one, but I don't suppose that doesn't mean there are.
btw, RE, do you have an IP check?
I'm sick of when I finally get in the place is packed with sluts in miniskirts so short they're constantly flashing everyone and half the time they aren't even wearing panties! I don't want to see that!
uh. Methinks the lady (?) doth protest too much...
just, I don't know, in my experience, most straight women aren't quiiiiiiiite so hot and bothered by such things.
Then again I don't know many lesbians who go off on these sort of Falwellesque rants either, closeted or otherwise; it sounds more like the sort of thing a bitter, frustrated straight guy would say. Or--I don't know, what's that Onion article? "Why do all these gay guys keep sucking my dick?"
But, you know, first time for everything. It's a curious thing, anyway.
or, you know, someone sitting at home on hir computer who's played WOW one too many times and is trying every trick in the book to get the funny monkeys to dance, dance!
Having fun, are we?
Ahhh, Melissa...get your memes straight.
First you say that "all clubs" are nothing more than "meat markets"; but then you say that "not all night clubs are 'sex clubs'" where 'sluts' like Ren go just to get laid.
Ahhh...do you really think that Ren only goes to clubs for sex?? How in the hell do you know that she doesn't sometimes go to clubs merely to hang out and mingle??
Oh, but I forgot.....Ren is not a normal person like you; just a dirty whore who can only think through her clit (and another man's dick), and simply can't help kneeling down in front of every man she sees....in short, nothing more than the female equivalent of the dirty old man in the trenchcoat who flashes people.
Never mind the real facts behind the real person behind Ren...that would kinda destroy the strawwoman that Ms. Puritan Xena wishes to slay and torch for all female sexual purity.
But I'm sure that you will attract only the classiest of men, Melissa, through your baiting of women who don't hate like you.
Just stay on your side of the bar, and keep the hell away from mine.
Anthony
wait, someone calling itself "daddy" is concerned about -your- psychosexual issues?
My thoughts exactly, Belle.
Oh, and poor li'l Melissa... she can't help but get pissed off! She just can't help it! It's all Ren's fault! There's nothing she can do about it... boo fucking hoo!
-cue the tiny violin-
Regular night clubs aren't sex clubs
And thank god for THAT, because let me tell you, I went to a sex club last night, and it was boring as shit.
"I don't want to see that!"
Then stay home. And if you don't want to hear about it, why are you here?
"Who says I don't have a relationship with a regular guy?"
That's rhetorical, right?
so I'm curious. let's say Ren locks herself in her attic for a month. doesn't fuck anything, doesn't wear skimpy clothes, doesn't do anything that melissa g finds objectionable. for a whole month.
would the rate of objectionable behavior in the universe decrease? or even in Ren's neighborhood? would the rate of sexual assault decrease? would the number of times women were pressured for unwanted anal decrease?
Ok, this issue keeps rearing its head so I made a whole post about it. I think I about summed up the larger picture here...it's simply a new post-feminist game with new winners and losers now.
Melissa,
What kind of sad little town do you live in where you only have one club? To be honest, where I live I really don't like the meat market clubs. Never really go there myself. If I want to listen to music I know two very good blues bars. If I want to have a drink with my friends I can think of a large handful of watering holes where the drinks are reasonably priced. I have my prefrences of course. If I want to go dancing (not that I really do) I know of two places that have those on a regular basis. You want all three? Gawd why? Between the bad aucoustics, the crappy drinks and the crowd getting way to loud and too large you can't enjoy it.
What's more important though is you're missing the point. We don't care what you think. You want to blame what ever is wrong in your personal life on peole like Ren. Why aren't you looking in the mirror? If you're not happy about something, besides yelling at Ren and calling her names that don't bother her much, what are you really doing to change things? Nothing. Thought so.
Melissa -
I understand. I have been to clubs and seen girls wearing nothing but g-strings and pasties. 80 percent of them don't have the looks to pull such "outfits" off, and as a matter of fact, our gracious blog hostess falls into that category, I don't see her or most club whores as Barbie Dolls at all. If I was to take a 10 minute walk around my block, I would encounter at least 5 women that are prettier and in better shape and don't look like yesterdays trash.
The point is, there is nothing remotely special about these women, they aren't beautiful, their bodies aren't worthy of Victoria's Secret or Sports Illustrated, although they have convinced themselves otherwise. And that's where I find my amusement in them. I think either "I am much better looking than those girls, and I am getting just as many looks as they are even though I have all my clothes on and have a man on my arm" (That is, if I am a woman) or "My woman has all her clothes on, she's so much sexier than these sluts are, and all of the guys here are staring at her even though I'm right here." (That is if, I am a man. I choose not to reveal what gender I am, because all of the AIDS Bucket's lapdogs like to accuse all the female trolls of being jealous of the Bucket of AIDS, and all the male trolls of wanting to fuck the Bucket of AIDS.)
I don't know if you, Melissa, have the confidence in your looks to scoff at these half-dressed harlots, but I think it would make you feel better to realize that you could be just like them if you wanted to and have all the attention and perks, but you don't, because you're better than that, you're better than them, you're attractive enough to not have your tits and ass hanging out in order to look beautiful.
What's so great to the weak about these women is that they're easy meals>...that's all. Use 'em and loose 'em. It is truly maddening that guys can have this attitude about sex, but it's just the way it is, especially nowadays in our pornified popular culture. I can't speak for every man, but I have heard guys say, "I'm not sure I would feel comfortable getting a blowjob from a chick that has so many dicks sticking in her, if they were coming out she'd look like a porcupine." There are a good number of men who are disgusted by women like her and wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole for fear of STDs, and probably because fucking her is like throwing a pencil down a hallway. Guys don't like a sloppy pussy with a floppy asshole to match.
There is only one thing you can do! And that is to have children! Have lots of babies, and they will have a father unlike a growing percentage of the population. And you teach those babies, girl, you teach them what you know to be right. Teach them the traditional family values that our grandfathers died for on the beaches of Normandy! Teach them about freedom!
Hitler and Marx envisioned a world where there are no families and no God, just like what "Ren" and all of her followers want.
These people (and I use the term "people" loosely in the case of these...animals) will have you believe that they are seeking freedom, but it's all lies. It's bullshit. They, and "Ren" don't give a FUCK about anyone else. They just want the stigma removed from their atrocious behavior so they can feel better about themselves. They don't care about anyone else. They are their own Gods.
Don't let the sacrifices of thousands of American soldiers go to waste! They didn't die so this piece of human garbage could have the freedom to dance naked on a table. They didn't give their lives so she could sit on her ass all day and live like a king because she sucks dick for a living, i guarantee you that.
These modern-day Nazis that defend this "woman," this MONSTER, are EVIL. Not "Satan" evil, but Marxist, Hitler evil. They want a secularist world, where no one is accountable for anything they do, they want to destroy the nuclear family. (I call myself Mommy/Daddy because I am sick of the destruction of the nuclear family, not because I'm some sort of pervert, like all of these deviants have insinuated)They want your children, my children to learn how to roll a condom on a banana when they're 8 years old. They want children to be indoctrinated to believe what they believe.
Just look at the blogs of these Hitlers...I took the time to speed-read through most of them. They all share a common denominator, they're all some sort of sex worker, feminist or leftist garbage. You're not "militant," they are. They're evil. They hate freedom. They hate the nuclear family.
They're the reason that 5,000 New Yorkers died on September 11th. The Muslim world hates this country because they see our decadence, our lack of morals. They see this Monster in high heels with a fist up her ass and they think "not my daughters. Not my wife. I'd rather give my life and take the lives of thousands of others so my family doesn't end up like this piece of shit." So, you can all thank yourselves for contributing to thousands of deaths, just so you can be "free."
Mommy/Daddy/Annoying Ass Troll with a complex;
You know what I notice about people like you and Melissa? Let's see, I'm not running around saying how hot I am (like both you appear to be doing). I don't have to stoop to insulting other peoples looks, or sexual predilictions in order to feel good about myself (which you do). I could care less what you look like, who or how you fuck, because, well, as adults, you can do what you want with the consenting and it's not my business! Novel theory, I know, imagine that. I'm not running around saying how much smarter I am, or how much better I am that other people...that's all you. You're the arrogant ones here, kids, not me. And I love your assumptions about who and what I care about. I'm not calling other people animals or trash, thats all on you. Great values you've got there yourselves, citizens.
And if you think I am a leftist? Well shit, you're way off there, cupcake.
And for some reason, I seriously doubt too many militant muslims are watching porn...
Now, mr/miss/mrs bigot, why don't you go gaze upon your own beauty or what the fuck ever else in the mirror and, oh, get off my blog? If I offend you so much, really not the best place to be, right? Bad for the blood pressure and pristined morality and all? Frankly, the highschool mentality you exhibit is amusing, but really, hardly the best place for children or those who think like them.
Mommy:
If you can walk around your block and see five women with more athletic, toned bodies than Ren, you either live at the US Olympic Training Center or are a liar. I am going with number two. See, people like you and Melissa are just pathetic, you have a complete highschool mentality with a whole lot of hate, paranoia, and religion thrown in, and that makes for a really bad blend. You don't like what she does, but instead of saying simply "I don't like what you do", you both have to start with insults on everything from her looks (which, sorry, she's hot), to her arrogance (which, sorry, she exhibits far less of that than either of you) to "she's so selfish". You sound like a couple of pissed off seventh graders who are ticked off that the boy you liked asked someone else to the class dance.
I understand. I have been to clubs and seen girls wearing nothing but g-strings and pasties. 80 percent of them don't have the looks to pull such "outfits" off, and as a matter of fact, our gracious blog hostess falls into that category, I don't see her or most club whores as Barbie Dolls at all. If I was to take a 10 minute walk around my block, I would encounter at least 5 women that are prettier and in better shape and don't look like yesterdays trash.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to accomplish here, Troll. Is this supposed to be an insult? Is Ren supposed to go cry into her pillow and write to her diary how everybody is just so mean and life is just not fair? I don't know. That kind of talk probably would've hurt my feelings when I was 13. Maybe you should go find some 13-year-olds to play with. That's really all I can think of as a solution to this problem. (Well, that, or OWN YOUR SHIT already.)
Ah, shit, sorry I left a comment before reading the entirety of the thread. I didn't see that the thread is now officially DEAD, because "Mommy" has Godwinned it. I'm actually surprised it took 80+ comments to get to that point, given the temperment of these trolls.
o boy, Mommy, now, too.
I don't know if you, Melissa, have the confidence in your looks to scoff at these half-dressed harlots, but I think it would make you feel better to realize that you could be just like them if you wanted to and have all the attention and perks, but you don't, because you're better than that, you're better than them, you're attractive enough to not have your tits and ass hanging out in order to look beautiful.
speaking of violins, anyone else hearing strains from the "Psycho" score?
EEE EEE EEE EEE
THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE
*nod smile back away slowly*
That is if, I am a man. I choose not to reveal what gender I am, because all of the AIDS Bucket's lapdogs like to accuse all the female trolls of being jealous of the Bucket of AIDS, and all the male trolls of wanting to fuck the Bucket of AIDS.)
...golly.
actually now I'm thinking more Jack D. Ripper. "precious bodily fluids" AHOY!
what a fucking whackjob.
Seriously, as much as I hate to draw attention to trolls, I may have to post parts of that last comment from "mommy" on my blog, because it's pretty much the best comment ever. It's got it all! References to 9/11, freedom, Hitler, Nazis, Muslims, Marxists(?), sluts, whores, bitches, other assorted pornspeak, and oh yeah, the terrorists hate our freedom!!
Ha. Funny stuff there Mommy! Or Daddy, or whoever the hell you are…the sexless voice of God, liberty, and the American way! Whenever scabs like you come around with the “it’s okay, here, here, that slut is wayyyy uglier than you” all I can think of is two women who are probably not so attractive ripping down an attractive woman because somewhere along the line, they got tossed aside for, picked on by, or ignored by men who, well, asked the hot girl out. So yeah, because your jealous of the “whore”. There’s no other reason to insult someone’s looks, really. The only reason a woman calls another woman ugly is because she has issues herself, and they general stem from “not being hot enough”.
Girls, Ren is hot. She’s also a pretty cool person. Sorry if that makes you cry and curse the evil of sluts, but really, what has she, personally, ever done to any of you?
?????
Nothing. So quit with the martyr drama, it makes the baby Jesus cry.
It's got it all! References to 9/11, freedom, Hitler, Nazis, Muslims, Marxists(?), sluts, whores, bitches, other assorted pornspeak, and oh yeah, the terrorists hate our freedom!!
somewhere, someone is congratulating hirself/theyself/itselves on creating the ubertroll.
That last rant by "Mommy" came to you courtesy of the Friends of the 700 Club, through a grant from Dr. Pat Robertson's Regent University.
I mean, what other disclaimer more perfectly fits this crock of crap???
So, not only is Ren a evol slut who apparantly can only exist by fucking 50 men at a time; not only is she held responsible for all of the women being raped and brutalized by all men for all eternity merely because of her augmented boobs and flat stomach....now she and her deviant slutty ways are held personally responsible for the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, too....not to mention the Nazi occupation of France, the entire HIV/AIDS world pandemic (I guess that scapegoating gay men gets a bit boring for rightwingers after a while), and the Russian Revolution of 1917!!!!!
WOW....such hatred concentrated in such a small package.
Oh, and dewd (or dahlin')....if you are going to say that "Muslims" hate us mostly because women like Ren are able to go around in bikinis and hiphuggers and tank tops and seduce men into apathy, you might want to consider the basic fact that it is people more of your persuasion that created and still defend the torture chambers of Abu Ghraib as acceptable "torture", not people like Ren. Last time I checked, the people who were bombing the shit out of Iraq and killing lots and lots of Muslims there were far more likely to hate sluts and whores for pretty much the same reason you state. Besides, if the Muslims are on your side when it comes to controlling the evil threat of sluts like Ren, why would you even want to bomb their countries to begin with...wouldn't that be, like, counterproductive??
Oh, but I forgot...this is about women who believe in making lots and lots and LOTS of babies for God, family, and country and spreading traditional "values"....unless they happen to be people of color, of course, since more of them would be a dire threat to "Mommy" and "Daddy" and their George Lincoln Rockwell fantasy of a (White) Christian (Identity) Nation.
It all goes back to the real issue: Ren likes sex a hell of a lot, yet she insists on her right as a woman and a person to determine HER OWN sexuality and NOT follow anyone else's rules. For those who would rather her be just a sperm deposit and a baby factory for their Lord and Savior, that is just too much woman for them to handle.....which is why there is such haterating going on here.
Now, for the last time, hopefully: SYAU, SYAD, or just HUAOOH.* The act is tiring.
BTW...nice job of masking your rants through electrical companies...would you like to try for Entergy next??
Anthony
[*For those who aren't familiar, that means Sit 'Yo Ass Down; Shut 'Yo Ass Up; or Haul 'Yo Ass Out of Here.]
Oh this is too good to pass up…
“Mommy said...
Melissa -
I understand. I have been to clubs and seen girls wearing nothing but g-strings and pasties. 80 percent of them don't have the looks to pull such "outfits" off, and as a matter of fact, our gracious blog hostess falls into that category, I don't see her or most club whores as Barbie Dolls at all. If I was to take a 10 minute walk around my block, I would encounter at least 5 women that are prettier and in better shape and don't look like yesterdays trash.”
Yeah right. If she looked that bad, people wouldn’t pay their hard earned cash to see her naked. And seeing as the woman is still one hell of an athlete, well, she’s in damn good shape. Flab? I see none. Celulite? I see none. Tone, definition, slim? I see all that.
“The point is, there is nothing remotely special about these women, they aren't beautiful, their bodies aren't worthy of Victoria's Secret or Sports Illustrated, although they have convinced themselves otherwise. And that's where I find my amusement in them. I think either "I am much better looking than those girls, and I am getting just as many looks as they are even though I have all my clothes on and have a man on my arm" (That is, if I am a woman) or "My woman has all her clothes on, she's so much sexier than these sluts are, and all of the guys here are staring at her even though I'm right here." (That is if, I am a man. I choose not to reveal what gender I am, because all of the AIDS Bucket's lapdogs like to accuse all the female trolls of being jealous of the Bucket of AIDS, and all the male trolls of wanting to fuck the Bucket of AIDS.)”
Has Ren ever said she was hotter than a Victoria’s Secret Model? Or anyone else for that matter? And she gets plenty of looks, trust me, even in a suit. She also is careful in her sex, so, gee, no STD’s. And oh yeah, she does have a man. A fiancé actually…that would be me.
”I don't know if you, Melissa, have the confidence in your looks to scoff at these half-dressed harlots, but I think it would make you feel better to realize that you could be just like them if you wanted to and have all the attention and perks, but you don't, because you're better than that, you're better than them, you're attractive enough to not have your tits and ass hanging out in order to look beautiful.”
I’d hold off on the judgement until I saw her, frankly. Sure, she could be Cindy Crawford, but then again, maybe not.
”What's so great to the weak about these women is that they're easy meals>...that's all. Use 'em and loose 'em. It is truly maddening that guys can have this attitude about sex, but it's just the way it is, especially nowadays in our pornified popular culture. I can't speak for every man, but I have heard guys say, "I'm not sure I would feel comfortable getting a blowjob from a chick that has so many dicks sticking in her, if they were coming out she'd look like a porcupine." There are a good number of men who are disgusted by women like her and wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole for fear of STDs, and probably because fucking her is like throwing a pencil down a hallway. Guys don't like a sloppy pussy with a floppy asshole to match.”
Hey there, Mr/Mrs. Muscle & Fitness, here’s something I can tell you about a woman who works out…you know, all of her muscles, including THOSE ones. They tighten right back up. And Ren fucks on her own terms, shitstain.
”There is only one thing you can do! And that is to have children! Have lots of babies, and they will have a father unlike a growing percentage of the population. And you teach those babies, girl, you teach them what you know to be right. Teach them the traditional family values that our grandfathers died for on the beaches of Normandy! Teach them about freedom!”
Oh hell, just what the world needs, people like YOU breeding! Our grandfathers died at Normandy to STOP THE NAZI’s, who, you know, KILLED people who did not fit their mold…the freaks and the homosexuals and the Jews and the Slavs and the disabled. Yes, teach them about FREEDOM…which includes freedom for people like Ren too. What a warped brain you have inside that head of yours.
”Hitler and Marx envisioned a world where there are no families and no God, just like what "Ren" and all of her followers want.”
Um, Ren is not anti-family, nor is she an atheist. And last time I checked, she didn’t have followers…she’s not a cult-leader.
”These people (and I use the term "people" loosely in the case of these...animals) will have you believe that they are seeking freedom, but it's all lies. It's bullshit. They, and "Ren" don't give a FUCK about anyone else. They just want the stigma removed from their atrocious behavior so they can feel better about themselves. They don't care about anyone else. They are their own Gods.”
Eh, Ren is pretty big on freedom, for everyone, actually. The only bullshit I smell here is yours. Ren cares about plenty of people, and since you don’t actually know her I don’t see how you can say otherwise.
”Don't let the sacrifices of thousands of American soldiers go to waste! They didn't die so this piece of human garbage could have the freedom to dance naked on a table. They didn't give their lives so she could sit on her ass all day and live like a king because she sucks dick for a living, i guarantee you that.”
No, they died for the ideals of American, which included “Liberty and Justice for ALL…life, liberty and the pursuit of HAPPINESS…” you know, those minor things.
”These modern-day Nazis that defend this "woman," this MONSTER, are EVIL. Not "Satan" evil, but Marxist, Hitler evil. They want a secularist world, where no one is accountable for anything they do, they want to destroy the nuclear family. (I call myself Mommy/Daddy because I am sick of the destruction of the nuclear family, not because I'm some sort of pervert, like all of these deviants have insinuated)They want your children, my children to learn how to roll a condom on a banana when they're 8 years old. They want children to be indoctrinated to believe what they believe.”
Hey, considering both Ren’s grandfathers fought in WWII, and she’s a Slavic Jew, my dad is a Colonel in the US Army, and there are a few other Jews and Brits who comment here, you might want to hold off on calling people Nazi’s around here? And I have yet to see Ren adovate teaching 8 year olds how to use condoms.
”Just look at the blogs of these Hitlers...I took the time to speed-read through most of them. They all share a common denominator, they're all some sort of sex worker, feminist or leftist garbage. You're not "militant," they are. They're evil. They hate freedom. They hate the nuclear family.”
Yeah, Ren is knocking on your door and trying to tell you what to do. She’s silencing you under threat of violence. She’s watching you with gun in her hand. She’s rounding you up for a labor camp. Bullshit. She also has no problems with religious folk who aren’t fanatics or people who choose a traditional nuclear family. Whoops. And for a pretty often time right leaning Libertarian, she is a shitty example of a Marxist, or a leftist.
’They're the reason that 5,000 New Yorkers died on September 11th. The Muslim world hates this country because they see our decadence, our lack of morals. They see this Monster in high heels with a fist up her ass and they think "not my daughters. Not my wife. I'd rather give my life and take the lives of thousands of others so my family doesn't end up like this piece of shit." So, you can all thank yourselves for contributing to thousands of deaths, just so you can be "free."’
Um- they hate our white Christian god, and the way we’ve fucked around in their countries and politics and culture…and they have a great rep for the way they treat women. Or do you relish the idea of being stoned or set on fire when "I am much better looking than those girls, and I am getting just as many looks as they are even though I have all my clothes on and have a man on my arm", because in those countries, that shit doesn’t fly either.
And if you’re who I think you are, why come back for another round of trolling? Surely you have something better to do, Klavier. Maddy. Asshole.
PS, what is with the stupid site you are linking your name to??
Mr. Ev:
It's actually the website for Consolidated Edison, the energy company. You see, both "Mommy" and "Daddy" are using artificial links to mask their true identities so that any IP check will be diverted....that prevents them from getting banished and frees them up to do their drive-by bashings.
Anthony
Attention, y'all...
Any and all comments by or in reply too Tara, Missy. Mommy/Daddy will henceforth be moved to the "This is for the Trolls" thread. I realize the temptation to use people like this as a scratching post is great, but that will be a better place for it.
-The Monster in Heels
According to avert.org 25 million people have died of AIDS since 1981. As of 2006 37.1-47.1 million people are living with AIDS.
AIDS decimated the queer community; it took our leaders, our elders, our families from us. We lost so much history.
In Africa there are 12 million AIDS orphans, many of whom have AIDS themselves.
Millions of people died at the hands of the Nazis. Jews, Roma and other gypsies, POWs, queer folk, the disabled, the mentally ill, Freemasons, Communists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and anyone who stood up to the Nazis.
The Nazis are responsible for the loss of whole families.
I have friends who lost relatives on September 11th. One friend's best friend lost both her parents.
So forgive me if I get upset when people use these analogies to hurt guiltless people such as Ren. Ren has never raped anyone. She has never killed millions. Ren has never forced anyone to act like her to to dress like her. She is not responsible for your husband cheating. If your SO abused you she had nothing to do with it.
My grandfather fought to destroy the Nazis. To uphold the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. He has never met Ren (as far as we know) and probably doesn't care what she does as long as she isn't hurting anyone (who doesn't want to be hurt) and is happy.
Neither document deals with sexual morals. They do talk a bit about "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Which sounds to me as though the government can't make laws based only on religion. There are also religions that include sex as a part of their rituals or beliefs, the government can't make people go against their religion (as long as they aren't infringing on anybody else's rights; which these practices rarely are). Ren, people in her profession, and people who dress in ways some might call "slutty" are not to blame for society's ills. There are multiple reasons why the US was attacked on 9/11. Many of those reasons were related to greed and jealousy. Also, look at September 11th, 1973 or 1990.
So fuck off and take your blaming and look at your own lives. Sex isn't responsible for your pain. Someone(s) may have used sex to hurt people, but sex didn't do it. Neither did Ren or any other "slut" or "whore".
Oh, btw, the definition of slut is someone who is getting more and/or better sex than you.
Yeah, as I just told some other poor slob elsewhere, my gramps fought at Normandy as well; and he was a socialist/leftist/voted Democrat till the day he died.
mostly i can't get that upset at people (?) like this, though: it's like a hostile Dr. Bronner's bottle or something.
okay, really, I will be moving stuff now, but I figured the WWII remarks should stay, funny that.
they hate our white Christian god
Uh, says who? White Christians? There is actually no physical description of Yahweh given in the Bible. Other than that "man was created in his image."
I just keep flashing on David Cross's bit about GWB and "they hate our freedom" from his CD, "It's Not Funny." Buy it if you don't have it. It's brilliant stuff.
+1 to The List O' Peoples Whose Grandfathers Fought In WWII Yet Are Damn Liberals
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