Friday, November 23, 2007

Now then: Pornspeak, Part One.

Which is a much bigger thing than I’m going to discuss here, here, we’re just going to look at certain aspects, but yes, it is now time.

The following entry may contain language and imagery that may be triggering-proceed as you will.

So, what, exactly, are we talking about here? Well, for the purposes of this missive we are talking about the language used in pornography; towards the performers, on the back of the DVD’s, or in the add teaser/trailer copy. It can be found lots of places- the aforementioned locations, on porn websites or blogs, and also on anti porn websites or blogs. It’s purpose is simple- to inspire some sort of emotion: lust, feelings of degradation, shock, revulsion, disdain, an erotic charge…whatever it inspires, it is used for one simple reason, really- to draw you in, either as a potential consumer (in the case of it’s use by pornographers), or do draw you in as an enemy of the stuff (in the case of it’s use by anti-pornography advocates.)

It’s pretty varied, ranging from the totally mundane stuff used for Vivid’s “Victim of Love”- “For anyone who's ever struggled with an affair, a novel idea: merge. As in making the mistress a part of the relationship. Vivid Film presents Victim of Love.” To really over the top, such as Mayhem XXX’s “Cumdrinkers 3” which touts itself as a flim where “Five dirty little fuck fiends are naked and begging for stiff throbbing cock, and all the gooey jizz that cums with it. Watch these filthy sluts take giant beefsticks deep in their dripping wet cunts, straight up their quivering pink assholes, and scream like crazed cock whores. Then these dirty little whores swallow miles of rock hard dick, sucking and slurping up every last drop of hot sticky cum until our guys are bone dry! It's a spooge drenched fuck fest you’re sure to love!”

Some of it is tamer, some of it is worse. Some focuses on the plot of the film, some focuses solely on the women in it. In any event, it has been a topic of conversation amid both those into porn and those against it for quite some time.

And yep, I’ll admit, I’m not really a grand choice of someone to write on the topic. Truth is, the stuff just doesn’t even faze me anymore, at all, in just about any given context. I hear a lot of it, personally and professionally, in the contexts of something I enjoy or a role that’s being played, and even in the worst sort of contexts, well, at this point, it rates as about as offensive as “Hey, I don’t like those shoes.”

Shrug. I am jaded to pornspeak.

So, I asked other women what they thought about the matter. Straight ones, gay ones, trans ones, those into it to some degree, those not. Some feminist, some not. Those who watch porn, those who don’t. And I asked these women what about it bothered them…

The answers were pretty predictable, really. It depends on the context, the intent behind the words, the community in which it’s done, and how the person it is used towards feels about it. Some are upset that it generally seems to be one way…as in the words (generally descriptive of women- slut, whore, bitch, cunt) are used towards women, it is so tied to gender, and geared towards them totally in a sexual sense. They feel it is different if it is consented to as a part of play, or used in communities where it is more of a fun term of endearment or even a compliment. They might even be somewhat into it or okay with it with a trusted and cared about partner, or using those generally used for women terms on men. But almost universally, they said “It may not be my thing, but if other people are into it, while it might bother me personally, it’s their decision.”

They were also almost all universally bothered by the use of pornspeak by anti-porn factions. Especially when done in a monotonous, over the top, barrage like way-, which seems to be common. They wonder if the anti-porners are masturbating while writing it. The anti-porners say they are doing it to expose the degrading nature of pornography when they do it. Common thought seems to be it is used as a shock tactic- that the anti-porners go for the absolute worse and dirty it up even further. And it comes across as very…creepy. The idea that people against the degradation of women, seeing them called sluts, whores, fucktoys, whatever else, would then use those words, and in a salacious, lurid manner describe the acts that these women are engaging in while making pornography.

I sort of agree. I am jaded to pornspeak, but when anti-porners use it, I too am wondering if they are playing with themselves while writing about it, and I also wonder just how many times they have watched whatever various porn movies in order to be able to describe the vile, hideous nature of AtM, throat fucking or dp in such graphic detail. It is creepy, and frankly, as a jaded porn person, it squicks me out far more when they use pornspeak and describe acts in pornography than, well, using pornspeak and having it used on me and doing the actual acts. In life and such, I get off on that sort of thing, out of anti-porn folk, it is just…. icky. I also really dislike how some anti-porn folk, using the pornspeak, then assume they know how the performer feels about it, almost attempts to assume the role of the performer, so while reading their graphic, lurid account of “a hot, big-titted whore getting fucked senseless” we are supposed to feel for them, as they understand the performer, as much as we feel for the performer…assuming we feel for the performer at all aside from seeing her as a person doing her job.

I mean, frankly, the idea of someone the likes of Bob Jensen attempting to “empathize” his way into my head and tell the world how I must be feeling while being degraded and assfucked? Oh my fucking god that grosses me out and offends me more than any amount of degrading pornspeak and assfucking ever could. It feels way more like being used and violated than any real porn stuff does, at least to me.

Shudder. Gah. Huge squick. Because in no way is such a thing a consented to context. None whatsoever.

I find the whole thing very, very creepy.

I’ve asserted several times that anti-porn types, while claiming to be against porn and all about helping the women in porn, end up ignoring and exploiting them for their own ends, and to me, this is just another example of that.

But, it does all come back to pornspeak. How does it make you feel? For it, against it, don’t care? Dangerous towards women, or not? Kinky fun or destructive? Are their appropriate contexts for it, is porn and the role a woman might be playing in it one of them? Does it creep you out in some situations more than others?

What do you think? Floor is open.

12 comments:

Trinity said...

I think the squick you're describing, Ren, is hypocrisy. It's really gross when someone hollers and hoots about perversions in the most salacious way possible and doesn't ever stop, because it's just: well, if that were so horrible to you, WHY would you talk that way over and over again? Wouldn't you be triggering yourself? If that's triggering to you, as you say it is when others do it, aren't you causing your own flashbacks over and over? WQhy would you do that to yourself?

So the only conclusion becomes, well... you must not be. You must not be telling the truth about what this does to you, and instead be fascinated by its effect on other people -- the way you can shock them, or worse, the way you can sway them by shocking them.

bint alshamsa said...

Look, I wouldn't want to read pornspeak in front of my mother but personally, when I read it, it just sounds really silly. I mean, it seems like they string together a bunch of words just to excite the secret joy of using potty-language.

I remember being a kid and we'd take turns calling each other the most outrageous names we could think of. Nobody took it seriously. It was just fun saying words that we would never be allowed to use in "polite company". It was cathartic.

To me, pornspeak is just the same thing. I think we all have the desire to do things we aren't "supposed to do", like buying a box of me and my daughter's favorite cookies and then hiding them in my closet so that I can keep them all to myself. Maybe a preacher rents an R-rated movie so that no one in his congregation sees him sneaking into the theatre to see it. Maybe you convince your het male partner to walk around all day at work while wearing a pair of your panties.

This is a universal theme. Taboos are meant to titillate. People see them as a way to define proper behavior within a society, a way of keeping order but I think they serve another purpose as well. The more taboo something is, the more it can be used to relieve the tension that we all feel from having to conform to societal pressures day in and day out. Without taboos, we would never get that out. We'd probably, in my humble opinion, have a whole lot more murderers and domestic violence incidents and animal abuse because that sort of tension is going to push us to find sort of way to release it.

If using/reading potty-language is all it takes for someone to relieve that tension, then good for them! It's just the grown-up version of the game we used to play. Calling someone a

"toilet-licking, mother-effin', son of a gun, pineapple-head"

as a kid, just turns into

"dirty little fuck fiends (are) naked and begging for stiff throbbing cock, and all the gooey jizz that cums with it".

It's just all really silly to me and I can't bring myself to get riled up by any of it.

*Hey Ren, I'd like to post this comment I made on my blog as a post but I won't do so unless you're cool with that. You've been writing a lot of stuff that I like discussing and it's NaBloPoMo so I'm in desperate need of shit to write about. Have some mercy on me and let me riff off of you. I'll turn the comments off and direct people to come here and comment if they want to respond*

antiprincess said...

“Five dirty little fuck fiends are naked and begging for stiff throbbing cock, and all the gooey jizz that cums with it. Watch these filthy sluts take giant beefsticks deep in their dripping wet cunts, straight up their quivering pink assholes, and scream like crazed cock whores. Then these dirty little whores swallow miles of rock hard dick, sucking and slurping up every last drop of hot sticky cum until our guys are bone dry! It's a spooge drenched fuck fest you’re sure to love!”

I get the sense that some folks out there really do read the copy on the back of the box and think "oh, clearly these five women are dirty little fuck fiends twenty-four hours a day, at the grocery store, in the post office, during dinner, at the PTA, everywhere!"

which is a little like thinking that Adam West is Batman everywhere.

Renegade Evolution said...

Bint: Rock on with your bad self :)

belledame222 said...

yep, what you said.

and agree with BA: stuff like that example of porn copyspeak just makes me giggle at best. It does feel really juvenile, and, well--to me--not sexay. I mean, "beefstick?" oh honey. it feels like "Beavis and Butthead" do pr0n, to me.

but yea, when people like Jensen or *koff* some women use it, it feels invasive and gross, first of all, because no one -asked- them, in the middle of some conversation at feministe or whatnot; it feels like getting an obscene phone call, or being flashed. second: yeah, the hypocrisy, but that's not what gives me the "squick" feeling, that just pisses me off.

what's squicky, also, is, well--I mean there are other porn copy examples you could've used that might make me feel the same way, but they probably edge more into fetishy territory. The -disgust- is palpable. I mean, "sweaty, stinking cock of the Patriarchy," anyone? that's rather...vivid.

and coming out of someone who also endorses shutting the whole thing down and people wringing hands about being triggered by half-nude pics or whatever, while no one blinks an eye...yeah. creepy. Really creepy.

belledame222 said...

i mean, just, it seems to me that if the complaint is that one has internalized all that shit because one can't get away from it, then maybe -wallowing- in that kind of language and outrage and whatever isn't such a hot idea. I mean, maybe they find it therapeutic or something, but...well, i didn't sign up to be part of -that- process either, you know?

it's acting out, is what it is. and transference. Here, let me demonstrate to you how I feel all the time: invaded, grossed out, confused, terrified, can't get away from the thing that repulses me. Okay, I get it, I think, but...now what? Because, no, I -don't- accept that in order for real -political- or cultural change I and everyone have to go along with your worldview as though it were objective reality for all women, not just how -you- experience it. Because it's not true, one, and it's very annoying to be told your reality is irrelevant or invalid, two, as I'm sure you know (again with the "let me show you");

and, three, your world is just -not- a happy place, and whatever utopia you're conjuring up as an alternative to the world you currently live in, well--look, no offense, but I'd rather live in a fantasy world constructed by -happy- people, or at least more complex one, should it come to that.

Iamcuriousblue said...

it's acting out, is what it is. and transference.

In some cases, just flat out projection. I remember seeing on one of the radfem boards that I had an "asian fetish".

Huh?

Iamcuriousblue said...

"Five dirty little fuck fiends are naked and begging for stiff throbbing cock, and all the gooey jizz that cums with it. Watch these filthy sluts take giant beefsticks deep in their dripping wet cunts, straight up their quivering pink assholes, and scream like crazed cock whores. Then these dirty little whores swallow miles of rock hard dick, sucking and slurping up every last drop of hot sticky cum until our guys are bone dry! It's a spooge drenched fuck fest you’re sure to love!"

And this is supposed to make me want to go out and buy this video? I just don't understand who they're trying to play to with this kind of "marketing".

Lisa Harney said...

Yeah, the primary thing that bothers me about porn speak is how it's used to degrade the women who work in pornography or other sex work, and viciously so. It's almost like you have to be a quiet little token waiting to be rescued from your pimp (whether you have one or not) or you're a violent misogynist seeking to defile all women on the pop culture altar - be a victim, or shut up, in other words.

DJ Carson D said...

But Adam West *IS* Batman everwhere he goes. Didn't you read Burt Ward's autobigoraphy? :P

Soulhuntre said...

It >is< all about their demands that you be a victim. If you aren't going to accept being a victim then they must find a way to convince themselves that you are wrong and destroy your voice in the process.

They must label you as either a brainwashed idiot or a traitor to women.

Since their entire existence is justified and defined by the illusion of universal victimization anything that challenges that must be repulsed.

hexyhex said...

You know what pornspeak sounds like to me?

Google optimising. Seriously. Mash those keywords in there, stick as many of them in the header as possible.

= profit!

AP: which is a little like thinking that Adam West is Batman everywhere.

Dude. The topic is pornspeak. There's no need to destroy my childhood as well.