From that post at pandagon...where I was not participating until this...
Dana Seilhan
February 6, 2008 at 8:05 am
And, why are people defending JackGoff? Whether or not Gin’s accusation holds water, the fact remains he runs around online with a pack of jerks. Just because they are nice to HIM does not mean they are nice people. I’ve had bad people be nice to me too, until I was of no use to them anymore, then it was open frigging season. That’s fine; I have no use for that nonsense anyway.
I think what pegged it for me that RenEv was a bad person was reading about her near-rape experience, watching the wheels turn in her head, and witnessing her use it as a pretext to say, “And I’m still not oppressed and radfems still suck NYEH!”
Really? Because I would have felt oppressed by nearly being raped on the job. I would have felt VERY oppressed. And angry. And traumatized. And the fact still remains that it’s easier to rape you if you’ve already appealed to a guy’s libido and you have fewer clothes between you and him. Above and beyond the oppression inherent in participating in an industry that says to men, Here I am all wrapped up for you as a commodity because YOU ARE ENTITLED TO IT.
And I don’t care what she feels. I could feel that the earth is flat and you guys would laugh at me. Deservedly so. One’s personal feelings do not change political facts.
And Jack’s proud to be friends with someone like that? He can have her. I’m sure she makes a great token female friend, even if he doesn’t come out and say “some of my best friends are women.” At least unless she wises up and goes into a completely non-sexual field of work, then she won’t be fun anymore.
Sad, sad world we live in.
RenegadeEvolution
February 6, 2008 at 8:26 am
Dana: So I deserved it right? Nice…
And I said nothing to the rad fems who commented (under their blog names) on the event other than to THANK Heart for her words on the matter until I got attacked by…guess who? What pissed me off, much like the experience itself, was then seeing it appropriated and co-opted for a cause I do not support or believe in, without my consent of course. Thank you for bringing it up, again. I’d call that the move of a jerk.
I was not even participating in this thread and Ginmar used me as a threadjack.
Good thing i don’t much give a fuck about your feelings either. And no need to tell me about my job, I’ve been doing it for close to two decades, and a lot of the time, for me, it still is fun.
Wise up? Please. And oddly enough, you don’t get to tell me what to do for a living either.
Amanda- sorry the presence of a sex worker on the net who takes exception to various attitudes and isn’t quite about it derailed your entire thread, even though I wasn’t even involved in it.
I’m sure if McCain gets elected over Clinton or Obama it will somehow be my fault as well.
Now, I know Dana cares shit for feelings apparently, but any idea how this makes me feel? I mean, why yes, I plotted that whole evening so I could tell Rad Fems to fuck off! Which, you know, isn't exactly what happened....this is what happened when I posted on the matter. And you know, still, to this day, I do think Heart, and quite possibly her alone, was sincere in her words. Those other folk? Not so sure, especially the ones who are taking great pains to tear me apart, condemn other bloggers for even reading me, and all that other fun crap elsewhere. And I'm the shitty human? Hahaahaha. I stick by my friends as thick as anyone. And I suppose I am to just, oh, trust the "sincere feelings" of people who have treated me and those friends like subhuman shit times uncounted? Fuck you. I did not get assualted to make you people look bad, half the time you need no help doing that. And you know who I hold responsible for it? Not rad fems. Not porn. Not anything other than the people who did it.
I honestly cannot believe this shit. I just honestly can't. Me, shaking my head, in total disbelief and fucking rage and a bunch of other emotions I don't normally have to deal with.
So yeah, I see how it goes. Sexworkers: Demons or Victims, regardless of our own words, experiences, feelings, choices. Which is, you know, just so fun!
Fuck you. I'm not the jerk, asshole, bad guy this go around, not by a damn long shot. Said it before and I will say it again....I've experienced far worse treatment at the hands of some feminists than I ever have at those of a pornographer...case in point, right here.
Wednesday, February 06, 2008
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Anyone who READS your blog, Ren, knows you are not a "bad person."
This whole thing is pissing me off.
At work now w/limited time, but I'll be back ...
~scratches head~ All I can think is that fundamentalism is fundamentalism, and you gotta have people you hate so that you can pat yourself on the back and say "I'm right - I know I am." And that means, too, that you don't have to listen to them.
The behavior at Pandagon - I want to laugh, but it's too disturbing. It's like...she has so thoroughly manipulated people that they are apologizing to her. She's a bully. She's a bully, and they're apologizing to her, and now that I think of it, that's exactly what it is: playground politics. "I won't be your friend if you link to people I don't like. I'll get my friends to beat you up. I'll rally everyone against this other person I don't like." And what's sickening is that people apparently have no problem with this.
PF: Yep. But I never much dealt well with bullies. Still don't. I tend to, oh, hit back.
I responded.
I don't suppose Amanda has time from her busy busy day to moderate any of that shit.
Is there some particular reason why that woman isn't banned from, well, a number of places?
And who the hell is this Dana person, anyway? What a shit.
but yeah, PF is right, the really disturbing part is that Gr acts like a banshee with a flaming hot poker up its ethereal ass, and x% of the people ignore it, understandably so, maybe, if they see it as a derail and her as a hopeless troll (never works, that, but whatever); but another x%...it's not just that they take her side in the argument or even defend her once the flaming starts, it's like...she shouts loudly enough that the Bizarro World is the real world and lo, it is so! creepy shit.
And the fact still remains that it’s easier to rape you if you’ve already appealed to a guy’s libido and you have fewer clothes between you and him. Above and beyond the oppression inherent in participating in an industry that says to men, Here I am all wrapped up for you as a commodity because YOU ARE ENTITLED TO IT.
Ahahaha. Only sweet innocent blameless victims deserve sympathy after a sexual assault, otherwise they're nothing but WHORES who ASKED FOR IT with their SHORT SKIRTS and TITS. That's some epic feminism right there.
(I am a lurker by my very nature, but I had to comment on that, sorry for interrupting. Also, I'd prefer your company to Ginmar's, she scares me shitless)
Holy Smokes!
I just got through reading the entire thread. I only hope that she can get the medications/therapy that she needs so desperately.
On a brighter note, I feel that my status upgrade from scum of the earth to jerk is a step in the right direction. Thanks Dana! [/sarcasm]
That was a great response that you had Ren� I hope you enjoyed your run.
Outis
You're doing great here, Ren. Just awesome.
What I just love is someone deciding that you're anger at a particular behavior somehow equals your anger at an entire group of people.
I've got a new game. Search Ren's blog for the words "I hate" and read the post. Then edit her words and expand to fill your own needs.
Here's my entry:
From this post I find:
Original quote: "My ultra PC bone is fractured in about 1,723 places at the moment. It just is. There aren’t enough surgical pins in the world. I hate having to consider every word of every sentence I write, ‘cause sure enough, pretty much anything and everything I write is going to offend someone, yet when I write with that in mind, I end up saying nothing at all…and that really offends me. And y’all know, according to popular theory, I am a selfish destructive fuck of a vile person. "
My translation:
"Ren hates considering her words! What a privileged fuck she is! She hates writers! It's right there on her blog! You'd think with her perky tits and her fancy-ass college education, she'd have a bit more respect for writers! If she weren't so privileged she'd realize that everyone who writes is forced by the patriarchy to consider their words. Every. fucking. day. I'm considering my words RIGHT NOW. And she keeps enabling those who make me consider my words. God I hate that."
Next?
RAGE.
SO. MUCH. RAGE.
I know there's a lot of diversity amongst the branches of feminism, but I was pretty sure "women are human" was a basic tenet of most.
Sex workers? Human.
Oh man, I read that trainwreck then went over to Gin's...
bettyboondoggle
That's apparently her entire take on the porn/prostitution issue as well. Those of us against it are just jealous of her ability to be in viscious, misogynistic porn. or something.
ginmar
Yeah, well, I can't say I'm surprised. She makes things up when it suits her. I always find it so amusing that she's obsessed with me to the point of reading my blog but I don't bother to read hers.
Where the hell do they come up with this shit? And what is "viscious" porn? Am I the only one who finds it odd that a COP and a SOLIDER are bitching like schoolgirls at Ren's sucking up to the patriarchy?
And Gin talking about other people making shit up and being dishonest? PRICELESS.
Oddly enough, I've never heard or read Ren accusing anyone of being jealous of her.
Funny thing is, I think a lot of them are. Maybe not her job, or even her looks, but her education? Her money? Her posessions? Her decent relationship? The fact that she moved up in the world class wise? Oh yes, I think maybe they are, and are just so pissy bitchy about it because she used her body-at least on surface levels- to do it.
Oh, and that Dana person that told Ren she deserved it and to get a non-sexual job? I looked at her profile...she's single, and doesn't have a job at all. Which could very well mean that people like Ren and all her horrible bad friends are supporting her with our taxes.
Min:
Nah, she's not obsessed with me at all, which is why she only talks about me every five minutes and uses me to hijack threads where she's getting her bully jackass attitude thrown in her face.
No, you're not the only one who finds a cop and a solider doing that odd.
Unemployed, eh? That's probably my fault too. Or maybe she deserves it.
Viscious porn? I guess its filmed in a goo filled swamp filled with dark,thick, brackish fluid. I've never done that.
Holy shit ginmar really fucking lost her mind there. I'm so sorry you had to deal with that kind of vitriol... I was having a discussion with other feminist friends earlier today about the approaches needed and how some people who identify as feminist take on facets of the patriarchy in the way they express themselves: oppressive, marginalizing those who are "different" and manipulative.
ahahahah, Gr responds:
"Ah, look, the pro pornies have shown up the way they always do, complete with sock puppets. Oh noes, kactus doesn't like me! Whatever shall I do? I'm heartbroken and will not be able to deal with the feelings of some dipshit I don't care about anyway. As for the rest of you sex poxes, I could give a shit. You're scum. You enable sexism. I will never forget that or forgive it and I'll do whatever I can to make sure you guys constantly get exposed for the sexism-enablers that you are.
And by the way, BD, get that distemper treated. The spitting and barking is really messy."
"Some day, a real rain will come and wash these sex pox (tm Gr) off the streets. Till then, there's ginmar. Doing what she can."
color me underwhelmed. for one thing, i've been calling Gr a yappy little hybrid pitbull-chihuahua for months now. What's wrong, Gr, can't you even come up with an original flame? Did "you're that professional virgin who got her vagina embalmed" use up the last of your creative faculties, lo those many years ago?
Keep up with the sexism fighting, though. Such devotion to the Cause, it inspires. Really. You're a legend in your own mind. Clap, clap.
as for "sock puppets:"
sweetie, if I have anyone's hand up my ass or vice versa, it's hardly going to be on your account.
"not the fun kind" doesn't even BEGIN to cover it.
Truthfully, I'd think you'd welcome the sheer breadth and diversity of people pouring in to tell you what a despicable fuckmunch you are: any attention better than no attention, right, Gr? I mean, how many of us can claim all-stardom in an entire -community- devoted to mocking wank?
special, special gurl she is.
"Also, I'd prefer your company to Ginmar's, she scares me shitless" - Celia
You do know, don't you Celia, that Ginmar is only two and half feet tall and is always kept securely strapped into the ergonomic chair in front of her computer? All that mad patter-caking on the keyboard looks terrifying, I grant you, as do the hundreds of tooth-marks along the edge of the desk. But there's really no need to be apprehensive. Just stay out of biting distance.
Viscious porn? I guess its filmed in a goo filled swamp filled with dark,thick, brackish fluid.
mmmMMMmm, swamp splosh.
That thread is just . . . wow.
I'd also like to say that the "Cara" on that post who looks like she's linked to something but isn't, is not me. And that if I was going to comment on that thread -- which I'm not going to -- I wouldn't have left a comment that inane, or one that I totally disagree with. And I would have left a comment telling a few people to drop dead. Which is why I'm not commenting.
I'm also trying to figure out whether or not I have a right to be annoyed, because I don't exactly own the name "Cara." Though of everyone here, I think that I have the absolute least cause to claim aggravation . . .
Also, very, very sad to find out the company that some of my regular readers keep.
Just now reading this. I agree with kim. You are far from a bad person. You're intelligent, creative and open-minding. You're wonderful. I offer you a hug. For g*nm*r and Dana, they get the middle finger.
You are most definitely NOT a bad person.
Ginmar's the type of person I'd try to stay faar away from in real life--I have issues with being around people who yell and scream all the time. And I've got enough on my plate dealing with the manipulative jerks already in my life.
I've got to say, Amanda is truly asleep at the wheel as far as moderation of this thread goes. Shortly after post #101, a quick note from her to the effect of "What the hell does who JackGoff has on his blogroll have anything to do with the topic at hand?" and moderating accordingly might have gone a long way toward keeping the thread from being completely derailed.
Cara: you could always copyright it, and threaten to sue people for plagiarism with your Internets lawyers what support you in email.
not that such maneuvers have ever come up, with some of the characters currently fapping away there and not very far away...
*koff*
Am I the only one who finds it odd that a COP and a SOLIDER are bitching like schoolgirls at Ren's sucking up to the patriarchy?
The word for that would be "rationalization."
I do not understand why everyone gets all "oooh, low blow" whenever anyone points out Gr's role in actually killing people. Meanwhile, she accuses everyone who even looks at her funny of wanting her dead. For someone who has been trained to kill, she's really a wuss.
Lord, that's terrible. My sympathies. That's really inexcusably evil.
Personally I defend Jack not just because he's nice to me, but because he's a decent human being who's repeatedly gone to the mat for people he doesn't know personally on basic Decent Human Being Principles. I don't defend people just because they're nice to me if I can see they're appallingly, gratuitously, unapologetically horrid to other people, and turn on a dime unless I constantly placate them. For that, you'd want to look at ginmar's merry crew.
iacb: color me cynically unsurprised. if you want to see her step in, someone'll have to have a serious go at her personally.
I do wonder: does she not have mod elves? I wouldn't necessarily blame her for not doing mod work on a blog that size all by herself, or even with the other main bloggers, whoever they actually are at this point. But, yeah. And, too: it's not as though there haven't been snakepits at Pandagon at least as ugly with her blessing and even instigation. (Random Bird ring a bell for anyone?)
then again again, it was a stupid thread to begin with, which is about the only point where I agree with Gr, although not for the same reasons.
"Oppression Olympics: yea or nay? Personally, I'm against them, but if I did believe in O.O., sexism would so win. Good thing I don't! Go Obama! Okay! Discuss!"
besides the sheer headdeskery of a number of comments even before the fappage started, the depth, it is underwhelming. surprise.
Holy shit it is SOOOOOO NOT OKAY to tell any woman how she *should* react to sexual assault or any dangerous situation!
:0
People, are you kidding me? You call yourself a feminist? this is the same shit as the Congressman in South Dakota pulled when he described the "right" type of rape victim.
!!!!!!!!
And the fact still remains that it’s easier to rape you if you’ve already appealed to a guy’s libido and you have fewer clothes between you and him.
I know, right? Why was she wearing that short skirt and being such a tease, the little hussy? What did she expect?
And, most importantly... *HUGS*, Ren. :(
*whoa*.
shit.
i'm so sorry this happened. fuck.
I do not understand why everyone gets all "oooh, low blow" whenever anyone points out Gr's role in actually killing people. Meanwhile, she accuses everyone who even looks at her funny of wanting her dead. For someone who has been trained to kill, she's really a wuss.
It's all about "EVERYBODY'S OUT TO GET ME!!!!!!1111oneone". Laws of survival. Bah. One would think we've come far enough to think about thriving, not just surviving, but apparently not...
I love Heart. I think she is legit, sincere and good.
Some of the people who fawn over her need to do a bit less fawning and lot more emulation though.
whatsername said:
"I love Heart. I think she is legit, sincere and good.
Some of the people who fawn over her need to do a bit less fawning and lot more emulation though"
lol what. Why do you love her?
And by "emulation" you mean "hating on trans people and sex workers and whining about 'racism' against white women?"
What Megan said. I wasn't even going to touch the comment, but really. Even if you for some reason don't think Heart's a narcissistic whiner with one of the biggest ego problems on the entire Internetz, well...
...anyone remember the accusing Little Light of plagiarism thing? Was that sincere, true, and good?
I can't wait to see the explanation of how, if so. :)
..sorry, that was snippier than it ought to have been. I'm sorry for biting your head off, there, Jaded. I do, however, think there's some tendency among bloglandia to give people a free pass on being mean to others as long as their "theory" is inspiring.
And, well, for me -- if someone behaves in a totally inappropriate way, I generally can't find benefits in her theory any more. I think Heart has said good stuff about disability rights in the past, stuff others weren't saying. But I really don't think I can hold her up as an example of a good ally, when she stabs so many good people in the back and refuses to acknowledge (among many other things) that trans people are even oppressed at all.
I might, maybe, want her on my side if she were a powerful lobbyist, likely to gain more rights for us through influence on Congress. But she's not -- she has just the same power I have, the power to use words to blog. And she's used those words to hurt allies and friends of mine more times than I can count. Her being right once or twice about disability rights doesn't cancel that out for me.
Also, one has to consider if someone's theory is completely independent of her personality. I'm not sure that Heart's radical feminism remains untainted by her narcissism. I think that her brand of "radical feminism" conveniently ignores oppressions she doesn't face, and that she uses a facade of "old school"-ness to try to justify completely ignoring intersectionality in the best case, and behaving blatantly inappropriately toward transwomen and women of color in the worst.
to be fair, I thought Heart was "the real deal" for a while there too, even if she made my teeth ache. it's not hard to miss the nastier stuff if you're not among the demographics that would be on the receiving end, or aren't looking for it. until someone points it out. if i hadn't been around for the Little Light stuff (or the "morphing into the oppressor" stuff) and only read Heart for the news and such, I probably would be like, "buh?"
but, well...yeah. also wasn't going to say anything, because it's not really the topic, and not meaning to pile on whatsername here. but...yeah.
as for her theory, such as it is, it doesn't hold water, but that really is another topic.
mostly, just, y'know, she calls herself "Heart," she talks about love and sisterhood and community building and peace and so on, it all sounds great (if, again, a but sugary for my tastes) if you don't look too closely.
but then when you do...well, when I did. mm. yeah.
I used to have this colleage who would put her hand over her heart rather dramatically and talk about how such and such, or more often so and so, -hurt- her. she was a very sensitive soul, bless her.
without going into details, by the time i was finished working with her, it had occurred to me, more than once, that perhaps the reason she kept putting her hand there was to cover up the gaping hole. people do do that, you know...
Oh yeah, the Morphing into the Oppressor thing. Didn't she take that post down? I wish I had a copy.
nope, still there. CM took her whole blog private, yes, but WS is still there.
http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/morphing-into-the-oppressor/
which won her all sorts of friends and influenced people
http://brownfemipower.com/?p=1059
http://leftistlooneylunch.blogspot.com/2007/03/sometimes-i-wonder-which-planet-im-on.html
http://bintalshamsa.blogspot.com/2007/03/special-white-woman-awards.html
http://www.ninepearls.com/article/242/white-lady-pity-party
as is the ever-charming "Little Light Is Plagiarizing Womens' Bodies." in her greatest hits column no less.
http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/i-am-a-monster-and-i-am-proud-robin-morgan/
cf
http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html
http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/public-service-announcement.html
some of her other wisdoms how transfolk already -were- the oppressor:
http://www.ninepearls.com/article/224/privilege-and-the-oppression-olympics
http://drakyn.livejournal.com/78642.html
http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/11/25/sour-grapes/
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/01/05/responding-to-the-feminist-anti-transsexual-arguments/
http://guyaneseterror.blogspot.com/2007/02/bingo.html
most recently, she was moved by the following from a transwoman's personal lj:
I don't really like it.
They ask my name. I shorten it, telling them it's [name fucking omitted, Heart] figuring that's neutral enough that it won't disrupt whatever assumptions they have about my gender, hopefully keeping me safe. I suppose it should be flattering that they all assume I'm female.
Sometimes it comes unbidden. I'm walking out of the downtown
campus when a man nearby says something. I stop to hear it. I wish I hadn't. He follows as I try to walk away, follows for two blocks, telling me how "fine" my "big ol' ass" is, telling me exactly what he wants to do to it. Or I'm in a bar, heading for the ladies room, when a man stands up and tries to follow me, taking the fact that I'm alone as an invitation to try and get into the stall.
Sometimes I feel like I'm asking for it. I tell the man on the bus he can sit next to me. He takes the opportunity to ask me if he can get some action. He tells me it's obvious I already like him. He tries to get off at my stop, but the driver doesn't let him. Or I'm waiting for the bus, and I help a man out who's asking for fare. It suddenly becomes his business what bus I'm taking, where I live, how many men have had me, how many black men have had me. He tells me how "thick" I am.
(name omitted) tells me to "stop being so nice," but I don't want to be that person, who ignores the other persons around them. And even if I was, their interest rarely seems to predicate upon mine. I can't stop it from happening.
And I don't know what to do once it happens. I freeze up. I try to ignore it. I walk away, though there's only so far one can walk when waiting for a bus, and even less one can walk when already on the bus. I say, "I'm busy," I say, "Not now," I say, "I'm not having this conversation with you." I say, "NO."
None of it works.
...
Welcome to womanhood.
and responds on her blog in the following charming, empathetic, loving, sincere, not at all heteronormative/'phobic, -feminist- way:
#15 womensspace
on January 31, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Here are some paragraphs from someone who claims to be a transperson and a "trans rights" activist. The person receives a monthly stipend from an "GLBT(continue letters here)" organization which, the person complains, is so low, they have to buy their "medications" from Wal-
Mart and nobody should criticize that decision.
I mean, jeezus. If you want me to buy my medications elsewhere, pay me more money to do my activism! What?! You're an activist who has never earned a single penny doing your activist work? It's all been
volunteer, a second or third job you've done while holding down
regular day jobs to pay the bills? Well, break out the world's tiniest
violins, that's not my problem! I am an ACTIVIST. I don't have any
TIME to take a regular job!
...
What great activism. I'm sure this person is accomplishing really
amazing things for female persons.
I'm going to post this, then edit and using my amazing mod powers,
hopefully include this person's avatar.
This is the kind of thing we are expected to support. This is the kind of thing we get trashed for critiquing. This is the kind of thing that is *everywhere* under the aegis of "GLBT activism! The above, racist, misogynist claptrap is activism being *paid for* by some GLBT group somewhere.
o right, and then the money quote:
# 16 womensspace
on January 31, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Argh, I'm all fired up about that post.
I tell the man on the bus he can sit next to me. He takes the
opportunity to ask me if he can get some action. He tells me it's
obvious I already like him.
This is SO exhibit A.
Which of us would EVER tell some random man on a bus he can sit next
to us! And why don't we? Because he may well sexually harrass or
assault us. As Satsuma says Mexico City joins a growing list of cities
worldwide which have woman-only coaches, and why? Because women do not want to be accosted, assaulted, raped, riding the bus! We are not
"flattered" that some perv thinks we are female. We do not write blog
posts like this pornographically detailing our experiences of sexual
harassment.
she's right, you know. that post was totally pornographic, and really, she had it coming: what did she mean, trying to pass as female and allowing the guy to sit next to her? which "real" woman among us could possibly have related to any such story, had it been written without being specified as coming from a trans woman? who, i ask you?
i mean, i know i cover myself in fucking chain mail and attack men with spikes if they even LOOK like they want to sit next to me. and of course they meekly apologize and go sit somewhere else. who doesn't?
not that my doing any such thing would tag me as being grossly flaunting of my in born male privilege, of which no real woman could ever hope to partake, and thus proof that i need no special protections, if i were trans and said such a thing in Heart's earshot, you know.
tangentially, per the whole married interracially as a politically radical gesture (via the "Morphing into the Oppressor" crap), to wit:
Anyway, so yes, I consciously, deliberately, married my exes, once I’d fallen madly in love with them, and then had to consider my future. I didn’t do what lots of women, and men, would do, say, “No, I can’t marry this person, my parents will freak out and disinherit me and disown me.” “No, I can’t marry this person, it just isn’t done.” “No, I can’t marry this person, it will be too hard on the children.”..
...I said, “Yes, I’ll marry this man whom I love because I love him, and I don’t give a shit what anybody says or thinks about that, because the reasons people give for their opposition are RACIST, and my marrying him might make things easier for the next couple like us.” Which is POLITICAL.
...someone stumbled across this from her Christian fundamentalist or at least transitional days. compare & contrast:
http://www.hom eedmag.com/seelhoffvs.welch/interview.html
I vehemently disagreed with Sue Welch that I should somehow advise
folks of the race of my family members, and I told her I had no
intention of doing any such thing. I was flabbergasted at trial to
hear Welch and Sharon Grimes testify that in their view, I was ashamed of my interracial marriage and had purposely kept this information from subscribers because I thought it would hurt my business! Race has always been a non-issue with me, as it is going to be with any racially intermarried person...
of course, she's changed 180 degrees since those days, as we all know; still, the respective retconning is, well, entertaining.
Reading Heart is like buying a discount ticket to CreepyTown.
I dunno. I think I thought she sounded sincere at one point. Those days are long gone, though.
It was over MichFest as I recall -- people like Char Croson were all about being mean and nasty and she was so earnest-seeming "well, I totally agree with you that trans women aren't women, but I'm radical and old and I *feel* so much, for *everyone*, and there has to be a *solution* that doesn't require *poor me* to be less *radical*..."
...compared to the really vicious folks, it made her seem totally misguided and wrong, but almost likable.
yeah, she plays "good cop" a lot. Walrus to someone else's Carpenter, etc. who knows: maybe she even thinks she means it, at the time.
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