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I’ve had it. Had it with APRF’s, had it with bullshit, had it with a great lot of feminists and their words and agendas, had it with a great lot of MRA’s and other assorted people too, and had it with blatant blindness and stupidity. Between comments on AlterNet, Download Squad, some Radical Sectors and the Overall Vibe I’m catching out of a lot of folk with regards to Sex Workers Rights and the entitlement to be seen as human…by everyone…I’ve had it. Lends credence to the theory I’ve held long- most humans suck. That in mind, for a time which has yet to be determined, I am going to say what I want, I am not censoring my words in the least, I’m not sure at all how much that I care about peoples delicate fee-fees…in fact, I suspect I don’t care at all. Don’t like it? Well cupcake, no one is forcing you to be here.
Right then. I realize I’ve been extremely harsh on women, or more specifically, APRF’s here lately, and I’ve neglected the men. Sweet Krishna on a lotus! (tm Rosa). How could I, man-thing apologist who is apparently all about the Menz neglect them like that? What about the Menz???
Okay then, the men. Or more specifically, a man, who left this comment probably assuming it would go where intended: My “What’s in a Name” post. However, after reading it, I decided that since I believe in equality and all, that I would offer it up, fisked and served, to show in reality that this fellow is not so much a man as a pig in man’s clothing! He fits many strands of the types of fellows highlighted in the Creepy Dudes post, and while slimy as an algae slicked rock in the Everglades, I did find it grimly amusing that in truth, the person he appears to truly want to speak to/address/judge/take a shot at is not me, but Mr. Evolution.
The fellow signed in (no link) as MountianLover. His literary artistry is in blue, my fisking is in italics. Mr. Evolution at this time has “no comment”.
Ren:
You absolutely have every right to be a sex worker if you want. No one should get to tell you how to earn a living. At least you have a job and aren’t sucking off the government teat. Like a lot of jobs though, stereotypes are going to come with it. A lot of tech people are assumed to be geeks. A lot of lawyers are assumed to be swindlers. So yes, stereotypes are going to go with various jobs. Some are true, some aren’t. You’re not stupid. I figure you’re probably not much of a drug user. I buy that the only person you’re exploiting is yourself. You are a whore/slut though; buy your own admission, both in stereotype and in action.
Okay, we start of benign enough there, even though the last line is sketchy, and what he says is true. Many computer folks are stereotyped as geeks, so on, so forth…
I should probably say here that I’m a man. A married one. I’ve watched porn, I still watch porn. If it bothers my wife, she’s never said anything. I read your blog from time to time, I think you have a great writing style and are very funny. The radical feminists who you constantly seem to be at odds with should have t-shirts printed up that say “I got taken to task by Ren”. It’s like a badge. Radical Feminists have truly arrived on the blog scene when they’ve been linked and “fisked” by you. You come across as passionate and very dedicated, even if you are sarcastic, and in a lot of ways you absolutely present as an articulate, intelligent, self-confident woman with some slight anger management problems.
Okay, we admit to being a married dude who watches porn yet has no idea how his wife feels about it, the Oink factor begins to increase. We try some compliments on my writing style and brain, thinking that this might fool a certain Renegade into thinking that this fellow is human and he, too, sees me as a human…. and guess what cupcake, now you too should get a t-shirt!
That said I don’t know how Mr. E does it. I’m not implying that he doesn’t love you or will divorce you as others have, but being with you has got to be rough. On some levels I can absolutely see the attraction. Most men would like to be with an exotic, attractive, slim and toned woman with large breasts (most men don’t honestly care about real or fake, but size does matter) who keeps herself up in such a fashion. I love my wife a great deal, but over the years she has put on weight and does not put effort into her appearance as she used to. She has cellulite, her breasts sag a great deal, she never gets her hair or nails done anymore, and rarely wears make up. Her esteem has suffered for this and admittedly I’m not as attracted to her as I used to be. You have a gorgeous body, perfectly firm, large, breasts and while I don’t care for tattoos, you always appear to be well groomed and styled. Undoubtedly your husband enjoys this personally, as well as the attention it brings him when the two of you are out together. An attractive woman other men desire is very much a status symbol, and he is probably delighted that he has that in life. You and he also seem to be very sexual with each other, and many men would love to have a woman who so enjoyed sex.
"I'm not like those other assholes....." Okay dude, Mr. E doesn’t have to explain anything to anyone, really, and you called me “exotic”, that’s a full point deduction. And hell, watch the Oink factor skyrocket! I hope to hell your wife isn’t reading this. I mean shit, I’m sure it’s great for her self esteem to know that you are on some stripper/porn chicks blog talking about her sagging breasts, weight, grooming habits and cellulite and saying you aren’t as attracted to her as you used to be, then turning around and talking about, in rather creepy detail, how much you like my appearance and how awesome women who enjoy sex are. Ya think maybe the reason your wife doesn’t oh, maybe “so enjoy sex” is because you are a fucking asshole who is trashing her appearance and insulting her? And I honestly don’t give a fuck if you like tattoos, I didn’t get them for you, nor do I need your approval to have them, pig. I’m thinkin’ maybe a good thing for Mrs.MountainLover’s self esteem would be to dump Mr. MountainLover.
Yet I cannot imagine how he deals with your career. I cannot imagine how he kisses you goodbye before work, knowing that you will be taking off your clothes and playing with yourself and the bodies of other women in a room or club full of horny, drunken men, or allowing other men to put themselves into each and every one of your openings and ejaculating inside or all over you while a camera rolls. I don’t understand how he deals with the knowledge that any number of men masturbate to images of you spreading yourself open, sucking off and having sex with various men, often times in groups, as they slap you and call you names, grope those magnificent breasts, play with your body as if it were a toy and ejaculate all over your face as you gaze up at them from your knees, used and gaping open. I don’t know how he deals with the knowledge that you’ve done this with and for hundreds of men in the flesh, and however many more have observed you doing it, their penises in their hands, wishing that they, like the men in the videos, were “fucking the hell out of this dirty little whore”. I don’t know how he can kiss you when you come home, knowing that you’ve performed oral sex on other men, how he can touch your body after it has been so used.
Shit dude, it sounds like you are “imagining it” in full color and with great detail. And you know what, asshole, you don’t have to understand. Mr. E isn’t you (thank god, goddess and all the little deities) and I’m not married to you, so really, what concern of it is yours? And magnificent breasts? What? Okay, mine are good, I dig ‘em, but in the realm of fake tits, magnificent is a bit much. I mean, these are magnificent, I dig these too. As for how he can kiss and or touch me? I brush my teeth and take a shower, you fucking moron!
Does he go through his days wondering if his co-workers have stuck money in your g-string? Have they seen you sweating and panting and moaning as a man shoves himself into your anus, pulls your hair, and calls you a dirty slut? Does he wonder, maybe, if some of them have paid you to spread for and fuck them?
I suspect he goes through his days wondering a lot of things, and oh yeah, actually working at his job rather than wondering if any of his coworkers have seen me naked or fucking. I mean, he does actually have to work at work; his job keeps him pretty busy, so not much time for being paranoid and morose wondering about if some dude in the same office has seen me get assfucked. Christ, you seem far more obsessed with what his coworkers think than he does.
Perhaps he has a fetish himself for being with a whore. Perhaps the idea of other men paying to do and see what he gets for free makes him feel powerful. Perhaps the idea that you are so sexually willing and so willing to be so sexually debased is deeply erotic to him, but I can’t understand how that can be anything but a double edged sword.
And perhaps one day the north and south poles will invert themselves and I shall be crowned god emperor of Rome. Truth is, while Mr. E likes screwing me, I’m pretty sure he has stuck around this long for reasons other than my mad sexual skillz.
I don’t see how it couldn’t be embarrassing to take you to business functions, knowing that perhaps the other people who are there have seen you practicing your craft. Has his boss seen you playing the part of the sleazy, fake-breasted whore who loves to take it in the ass? Has his office assistant paid you for a lap-dance? Has his mailroom guy groped you at a bachelor party or had sex with you at a swingers club? Does the guy in the office down the hall know exactly what you look like naked and with semen smeared all over your face? Does he fear this will damage his career?
Dude, how many hands are you typing with? Seriously. And psst, I’ve met exactly one of Mr. E’s coworkers, his boss, and I seriously doubt she is watching my porn or hiring strippers. And I don’t go to Mr.E’s company parties because, hey, I usually work at night and the damn things bore the hell out of me.
Doesn’t he get afraid that something bad will happen to you? You are right, sex workers do not have the same legal rights as other people, and they are viewed lesser by society. Doesn’t he worry that you will get raped, beaten, or killed?
Yes. I imagine he does.
I couldn’t deal with it. I don’t think most men could. I don’t think too many men, while they would love having an attractive, sexual woman as a wife, could deal with that woman also being a stripper and in pornography, let alone any illegal branch of the industry. I don’t think they could cope with the idea of their woman having had sex with countless men, and other men masturbating to the images. I worry for both of you that some day he won’t be able to take it anymore, or it will impact his career. I also do not think the rights you speak of, the removal of the stigma, will be seen within your lifetime. Yet, it is important to you, so I encourage you to keep fighting and writing.
Psst, no one is asking you do deal with it. I’m not your, or “most mens” wife. Thank Ganesha! So they and you don’t have to cope. And your concern is, well, not wanted, and thanks for the encouragement and all, but shit, I’m not so sure I want you reading. In fact, I think you are an asshole. I mean, wow, it's as if I've trapped Mr.E here against his will and am torturing him or something! And the sick irony of the whole thing? You watch porn! You are the dude jerking off to other men’s wives, girlfriends and daughters! You do it, but you cannot imagine other men dealing with that! Holy Fuck! The mind boggles….
So there you go, folks. What about the Menz…who, you know, love whores…so long as they are “magnificent breasted, exotic, status gaining” creatures on a screen and not, you know, married women…because what dude could ever handle being married to one? Tell you what, there are a lot of guys out there who can, men who are men, rather than pigs in men’s clothing who care more about what My Man’s coworkers think of my job than apparently, the feelings of his own wife. Shut up and pay to watch, jerk, it seems that is all you're good for.
MountainLover, you sir, are an asshole!
I’ve had it. Had it with APRF’s, had it with bullshit, had it with a great lot of feminists and their words and agendas, had it with a great lot of MRA’s and other assorted people too, and had it with blatant blindness and stupidity. Between comments on AlterNet, Download Squad, some Radical Sectors and the Overall Vibe I’m catching out of a lot of folk with regards to Sex Workers Rights and the entitlement to be seen as human…by everyone…I’ve had it. Lends credence to the theory I’ve held long- most humans suck. That in mind, for a time which has yet to be determined, I am going to say what I want, I am not censoring my words in the least, I’m not sure at all how much that I care about peoples delicate fee-fees…in fact, I suspect I don’t care at all. Don’t like it? Well cupcake, no one is forcing you to be here.
Right then. I realize I’ve been extremely harsh on women, or more specifically, APRF’s here lately, and I’ve neglected the men. Sweet Krishna on a lotus! (tm Rosa). How could I, man-thing apologist who is apparently all about the Menz neglect them like that? What about the Menz???
Okay then, the men. Or more specifically, a man, who left this comment probably assuming it would go where intended: My “What’s in a Name” post. However, after reading it, I decided that since I believe in equality and all, that I would offer it up, fisked and served, to show in reality that this fellow is not so much a man as a pig in man’s clothing! He fits many strands of the types of fellows highlighted in the Creepy Dudes post, and while slimy as an algae slicked rock in the Everglades, I did find it grimly amusing that in truth, the person he appears to truly want to speak to/address/judge/take a shot at is not me, but Mr. Evolution.
The fellow signed in (no link) as MountianLover. His literary artistry is in blue, my fisking is in italics. Mr. Evolution at this time has “no comment”.
Ren:
You absolutely have every right to be a sex worker if you want. No one should get to tell you how to earn a living. At least you have a job and aren’t sucking off the government teat. Like a lot of jobs though, stereotypes are going to come with it. A lot of tech people are assumed to be geeks. A lot of lawyers are assumed to be swindlers. So yes, stereotypes are going to go with various jobs. Some are true, some aren’t. You’re not stupid. I figure you’re probably not much of a drug user. I buy that the only person you’re exploiting is yourself. You are a whore/slut though; buy your own admission, both in stereotype and in action.
Okay, we start of benign enough there, even though the last line is sketchy, and what he says is true. Many computer folks are stereotyped as geeks, so on, so forth…
I should probably say here that I’m a man. A married one. I’ve watched porn, I still watch porn. If it bothers my wife, she’s never said anything. I read your blog from time to time, I think you have a great writing style and are very funny. The radical feminists who you constantly seem to be at odds with should have t-shirts printed up that say “I got taken to task by Ren”. It’s like a badge. Radical Feminists have truly arrived on the blog scene when they’ve been linked and “fisked” by you. You come across as passionate and very dedicated, even if you are sarcastic, and in a lot of ways you absolutely present as an articulate, intelligent, self-confident woman with some slight anger management problems.
Okay, we admit to being a married dude who watches porn yet has no idea how his wife feels about it, the Oink factor begins to increase. We try some compliments on my writing style and brain, thinking that this might fool a certain Renegade into thinking that this fellow is human and he, too, sees me as a human…. and guess what cupcake, now you too should get a t-shirt!
That said I don’t know how Mr. E does it. I’m not implying that he doesn’t love you or will divorce you as others have, but being with you has got to be rough. On some levels I can absolutely see the attraction. Most men would like to be with an exotic, attractive, slim and toned woman with large breasts (most men don’t honestly care about real or fake, but size does matter) who keeps herself up in such a fashion. I love my wife a great deal, but over the years she has put on weight and does not put effort into her appearance as she used to. She has cellulite, her breasts sag a great deal, she never gets her hair or nails done anymore, and rarely wears make up. Her esteem has suffered for this and admittedly I’m not as attracted to her as I used to be. You have a gorgeous body, perfectly firm, large, breasts and while I don’t care for tattoos, you always appear to be well groomed and styled. Undoubtedly your husband enjoys this personally, as well as the attention it brings him when the two of you are out together. An attractive woman other men desire is very much a status symbol, and he is probably delighted that he has that in life. You and he also seem to be very sexual with each other, and many men would love to have a woman who so enjoyed sex.
"I'm not like those other assholes....." Okay dude, Mr. E doesn’t have to explain anything to anyone, really, and you called me “exotic”, that’s a full point deduction. And hell, watch the Oink factor skyrocket! I hope to hell your wife isn’t reading this. I mean shit, I’m sure it’s great for her self esteem to know that you are on some stripper/porn chicks blog talking about her sagging breasts, weight, grooming habits and cellulite and saying you aren’t as attracted to her as you used to be, then turning around and talking about, in rather creepy detail, how much you like my appearance and how awesome women who enjoy sex are. Ya think maybe the reason your wife doesn’t oh, maybe “so enjoy sex” is because you are a fucking asshole who is trashing her appearance and insulting her? And I honestly don’t give a fuck if you like tattoos, I didn’t get them for you, nor do I need your approval to have them, pig. I’m thinkin’ maybe a good thing for Mrs.MountainLover’s self esteem would be to dump Mr. MountainLover.
Yet I cannot imagine how he deals with your career. I cannot imagine how he kisses you goodbye before work, knowing that you will be taking off your clothes and playing with yourself and the bodies of other women in a room or club full of horny, drunken men, or allowing other men to put themselves into each and every one of your openings and ejaculating inside or all over you while a camera rolls. I don’t understand how he deals with the knowledge that any number of men masturbate to images of you spreading yourself open, sucking off and having sex with various men, often times in groups, as they slap you and call you names, grope those magnificent breasts, play with your body as if it were a toy and ejaculate all over your face as you gaze up at them from your knees, used and gaping open. I don’t know how he deals with the knowledge that you’ve done this with and for hundreds of men in the flesh, and however many more have observed you doing it, their penises in their hands, wishing that they, like the men in the videos, were “fucking the hell out of this dirty little whore”. I don’t know how he can kiss you when you come home, knowing that you’ve performed oral sex on other men, how he can touch your body after it has been so used.
Shit dude, it sounds like you are “imagining it” in full color and with great detail. And you know what, asshole, you don’t have to understand. Mr. E isn’t you (thank god, goddess and all the little deities) and I’m not married to you, so really, what concern of it is yours? And magnificent breasts? What? Okay, mine are good, I dig ‘em, but in the realm of fake tits, magnificent is a bit much. I mean, these are magnificent, I dig these too. As for how he can kiss and or touch me? I brush my teeth and take a shower, you fucking moron!
Does he go through his days wondering if his co-workers have stuck money in your g-string? Have they seen you sweating and panting and moaning as a man shoves himself into your anus, pulls your hair, and calls you a dirty slut? Does he wonder, maybe, if some of them have paid you to spread for and fuck them?
I suspect he goes through his days wondering a lot of things, and oh yeah, actually working at his job rather than wondering if any of his coworkers have seen me naked or fucking. I mean, he does actually have to work at work; his job keeps him pretty busy, so not much time for being paranoid and morose wondering about if some dude in the same office has seen me get assfucked. Christ, you seem far more obsessed with what his coworkers think than he does.
Perhaps he has a fetish himself for being with a whore. Perhaps the idea of other men paying to do and see what he gets for free makes him feel powerful. Perhaps the idea that you are so sexually willing and so willing to be so sexually debased is deeply erotic to him, but I can’t understand how that can be anything but a double edged sword.
And perhaps one day the north and south poles will invert themselves and I shall be crowned god emperor of Rome. Truth is, while Mr. E likes screwing me, I’m pretty sure he has stuck around this long for reasons other than my mad sexual skillz.
I don’t see how it couldn’t be embarrassing to take you to business functions, knowing that perhaps the other people who are there have seen you practicing your craft. Has his boss seen you playing the part of the sleazy, fake-breasted whore who loves to take it in the ass? Has his office assistant paid you for a lap-dance? Has his mailroom guy groped you at a bachelor party or had sex with you at a swingers club? Does the guy in the office down the hall know exactly what you look like naked and with semen smeared all over your face? Does he fear this will damage his career?
Dude, how many hands are you typing with? Seriously. And psst, I’ve met exactly one of Mr. E’s coworkers, his boss, and I seriously doubt she is watching my porn or hiring strippers. And I don’t go to Mr.E’s company parties because, hey, I usually work at night and the damn things bore the hell out of me.
Doesn’t he get afraid that something bad will happen to you? You are right, sex workers do not have the same legal rights as other people, and they are viewed lesser by society. Doesn’t he worry that you will get raped, beaten, or killed?
Yes. I imagine he does.
I couldn’t deal with it. I don’t think most men could. I don’t think too many men, while they would love having an attractive, sexual woman as a wife, could deal with that woman also being a stripper and in pornography, let alone any illegal branch of the industry. I don’t think they could cope with the idea of their woman having had sex with countless men, and other men masturbating to the images. I worry for both of you that some day he won’t be able to take it anymore, or it will impact his career. I also do not think the rights you speak of, the removal of the stigma, will be seen within your lifetime. Yet, it is important to you, so I encourage you to keep fighting and writing.
Psst, no one is asking you do deal with it. I’m not your, or “most mens” wife. Thank Ganesha! So they and you don’t have to cope. And your concern is, well, not wanted, and thanks for the encouragement and all, but shit, I’m not so sure I want you reading. In fact, I think you are an asshole. I mean, wow, it's as if I've trapped Mr.E here against his will and am torturing him or something! And the sick irony of the whole thing? You watch porn! You are the dude jerking off to other men’s wives, girlfriends and daughters! You do it, but you cannot imagine other men dealing with that! Holy Fuck! The mind boggles….
So there you go, folks. What about the Menz…who, you know, love whores…so long as they are “magnificent breasted, exotic, status gaining” creatures on a screen and not, you know, married women…because what dude could ever handle being married to one? Tell you what, there are a lot of guys out there who can, men who are men, rather than pigs in men’s clothing who care more about what My Man’s coworkers think of my job than apparently, the feelings of his own wife. Shut up and pay to watch, jerk, it seems that is all you're good for.
MountainLover, you sir, are an asshole!
41 comments:
It always startles me that people like this always try to start off "friendly," as if one paragraph of insincere compliments makes up for a bizarre litany of insults.
Wow. Just wow. What planet is that guy from?
Wow, I don't think I've read anything quite like that before.
Well, maybe: "Lord, make me chaste, but not yet!"--St Augustine
God, what a fuckin' piece of work this guy is!
Exotic is a compliment, Ren. Most women enjoy compliments, and I find it strange that you responded so harshly to my comment. I’m not judging you or your husband, you both have the right to live as you wish. I do guarantee however that most men would feel as I do about being married to a woman like you. Men are very often judged by the women they marry. Some things such as beauty and being articulate are very lauded, and some things like being promiscuous are shunned. A woman who earns a living performing sexual acts has negativity attached to her by society, and while it may not be right, it’s reality. A man who is with such a woman can also suffer for it, and often they do in many ways.
I don’t know how many men comment here regularly, but I am sure many of them, aside from Anthony who seems to feel the need to defend you at every turn, or other men in situations like your husband, would agree with me and tell you that this is reality.
I think there would also be the concern that if a woman is so sexually active with such a number of men, that her husband might spend a great deal of time wondering how he measured up. Yes, there is more to a relationship than sex, but it is a big part, otherwise most people would have friends rather than partners, husbands, or wives.
Yes, I was critical of my own wife’s appearance, yet I still love her a great deal and I’ve never cheated on her. And yes, I do view porn, but just because I view it does not mean I could handle being married to one of the women in such movies. Women like yourself offer a sexual fantasy to your viewers, the good-looking woman who will do anything and everything sexually. You know this, and you also well know what men do when watching you, they masturbate while thinking of doing the same to you. The idea of men thinking about doing such things with my wife is not a feeling I like, and the idea of my wife actually doing those things is a thought many men could not deal with or tolerate.
I spoke graphically because men thing graphically. When men see you and know what you do that is what they think about doing with you. You make entirely too much money off of that to pretend it’s not true. The image you profit from is the same one that hurts you socially. You know that. You don’t have implanted breasts, shaved genitals, and spend that much time on your body to project an image of safe, or chaste, or loving or intelligent. You have these things because they project sexual and attractive, and you make good money selling that image. But that image is a double-edged sword, both for you and those around you; your husband, friends, and family.
There is not only stigma in being a whore, Ren, there is stigma in being associated with a whore. Stigmas can be damaging to many people, and your husband is no exception. I don’t doubt for a second that people are nice and charming to his face, yet talk about his big-breasted porn slut of wife the second his back is turned. Maybe this doesn’t matter to him, or you. Perhaps he figures in the larger picture it does not matter, but this is the real world, Ren, and to most people it would matter and does matter. You know that as well.
Mrs. E:
Have you thought of taking snippets of the MRA and Rad Fem "fan" letters and coming up with a Mad Lib porn?
Some of those trolls are the filthiest things I have ever read.
He's absolutely disgusting, gross, repulsive, and stuck on himself. And, we've all heard that line about how we should take sexual harassment as a "compliment". He also reminds me of Robert Jensen with that lecherous attention to detail and that condescending "for your own good" tone.
Why is this guy worried about Ren's husband so much? Weird.
"Men are very often judged by the women they marry."
Mountain, why be redundant when your whole comment is summed up by this one sentence. And the answer is pretty obvious as well -- as you may be somewhat behind the learning curve here, I'll give it its own line:
"SO WHAT?"
People are judged by a lot of things, many of them none of the judger's business and things which the judger will never understand. Of course, men being a somewhat vulnerable and insecure breed (except of course for my own version of the species and I am sure Ren's as well), some of them will be hurt by this, and will need to run off and nurse their wounds in some kind of ridiculous way, as you yourself might choose to do.
This behavior, however, is strictly optional. Men with what is known to some of us as self esteem (google it) may not care about such judgments, and may indeed have friends and colleagues who do not make them.
The bottom line is that as you are not acquainted with the gentleman in question and Ren happens to be married to him, query as to what makes you the expert on his state of mind?
Mountainlover:
"Women enjoy compliments, and I find it strange that you responded so harshly to my comment"
OK... Dude you totally fixated on her body, not her mind. Yes, RE is a beautiful woman, but she is so much more... a point that you have somehow failed to get.
You could have complimented her on her terrific, well rounded, metaphors, or the awesome lack of fat in her writing. She gets the point across with a minimum of words, and delightfully so.
Nope. You felt that it was important to point out her physical characteristics, in graphic detail, that to some of us would indicate that you are typing one handed. In so doing, you set the tone of your attempt to shame Ren, based on your world view. You further attempted to draw Mr. E into your world of shame.
"I don’t know how many men comment here regularly, but I am sure many of them, aside from Anthony who seems to feel the need to defend you at every turn, or other men in situations like your husband, would agree with me and tell you that this is reality"
Sorry Dude, but a lot of men post comments here. Critical or not. Know what? Ren posts them all, except for a few absolute idiots. Reality? The Samsara? I do not agree with you sir, nor do I buy into your vision of reality. But to each his own.
"I don’t doubt for a second that people are nice and charming to his face, yet talk about his big-breasted porn slut of wife the second his back is turned."
There you go again with the big tits argument.
And I don’t doubt for a second that Mr. E’s acquaintances spend their entire waking hours discussing Ren’s chosen profession [/sarcasm]
What kind of self limiting, hellish reality do you live in? Is your every move dictated by what someone else might think of you?
What kind of fear drives you to try and suck Ren down to this illusion that you live in?
Truth be known? Renegade Evolution is a true child of God... She is doing what she is supposed to do. *Outis points at sky and then points to ear* (If you have to ask about that gesture, you will never understand.)
I am so sorry that you have been programmed to feel this way. I guess the bottom line is that a dialogue needs to be opened here. That is what the Henchwoman is trying to do. That is why she allowed your post here. Would you like to talk? I am available, so is Anthony, and of course Ren.
The invitation is there. The next move is yours.
Outis.
First off, Mountie, let's get one thing perfectly straight: I defend Ren not because I am besotted with her or because I'm only interested in getting into her panties, as you so assume. I defend her because of her basic philosophy, her ideas, and her approach to life is pretty damn close to my own...and because she has been attacked repeated and brutally by people across the political and social aisle...and when people I respect and like are wrongly attacked and smeared, I tend to want to defend and support them.
Secondly....who the hell died and made you such a prophet when it comes to men's reactions to Ren and her profession?? Yeah, she is a fine woman with a killer body...but there are many other women who have killer bodies who are sexually attractive. What makes you think that men aren't able to respect such women as human beings while still acknowledging their power to sexually arouse them?? Unless, you are of the belief that such attraction is an evil, bad thing. I most certainly do not. Only if there is coercion or if the boundaries of mutual respect are breached does sexual attraction becomm problematic for me. Most men are more than capable of respecting such boundaries.
Third, regarding your personal comments about your wife: Wouldn't you think that you would NOT judge her merely because she doesn't look like the porn starlet (or the runway model, or the svelte Hollywood actress). I have news for you, fool: There do happen to be porn starlets with plenty of cellulite (Hell, even Nina Hartley's patented rear shows a little cellulite, it comes naturally with being a middle-aged woman), sagging breasts, rounded stomachs, thick legs, and other characteristics not meeting the supposed "stereotype".
And, contrary to the popular myth, most men are not neccessarily swooning towards the fake titted, hourglass-figured, beached-blonde stereotype; there are so many different and diverse looks and styles in porn if you manage to actually look beyond the Playboy/Vivid models and engage with actual people.
One last thing, Mountie: I strongly suggest that you resolve things with your wife before you even think of lecturing Mr. Evolution on his choice of life mates. Considering that he and Ren were together for more than 17 years prior to finally getting hitched, I'm sure that he is well aware of Ren's background, profession, and her effect on the opposite gender...and the fact that he stuck around enough to marry her says a hell of a log about his open-mindedness and intellegence. Just as your attempt at false humor and psychoanalysis says a hell of a lot about your distinct lack thereof.
Anthony
I hit paragraph three and my eyebrows couldn't go any higher. The "I cannot even imagine all those DIRTY SALACIOUS DETAILS" bit made me laugh out loud.
And from his comment here, he still doesn't see how he's being an asshole.
Coming out of hitatus for this one:
"You don’t have implanted breasts, shaved genitals, and spend that much time on your body to project an image of safe, or chaste, or loving or intelligent."
Large breasts (fake or otherwise), shaved genitals and spending time on one's body equals non-loving or non-intelligent?
I'm not even dignifing this dumb-ass statement with all the proof to the contrary I could rattle off in three seconds. Just wanted to cut and paste this stupidity for all to marvel at.
"I don’t doubt for a second that people are nice and charming to his face, yet talk about his big-breasted porn slut of wife the second his back is turned. Maybe this doesn’t matter to him, or you. Perhaps he figures in the larger picture it does not matter, but this is the real world, Ren"
Yes, this IS the real world, junior. As such, there are plenty of adults who are not obsessed with the sex lives of everyone they meet.
This guy reminds me a typical homophobe: those types who can't get past what "fags or dykes do in the bedroom." With these folks, the question is always "Who's REALLY the one with the problem?" you know?
I love ya, Ren.
Fuck this guy.
Mountain Lover:
Scarlet McCaw Parrots are exotic. Bali is exotic. Siberian Tigers are exotic. People are people.
And I am well-versed in reality. I'm not even going to say that your view isn't typical of mainstream view, because it is.
However, what IS your vested interest here? You aren't married to a porn gal or stripper, so such stigmas do not apply to you.
I don't know. In the course of a recent discussion. I noted that the things I like in a lover(woman) are: intelligence, sensuality, kindness, sence of fairness, myrth, adventurousness. Ren looks pretty good on this score (though she like to hide the kindness on this blog), and Mr. E has the wit to count his blessings.
What should be of greatest interest is how many men, referencing OTHER PEOPLE'S presumed values, would take a pass on getting what they most want.
One thing Ren does by being "out there" is to normalize the way she lives her life; thus granting others greater latitude to cut a more fulfilling path in theirs. Without the Rens and Mr. Es, this world would be a poorer and more dour place to live. One more reason why those of us who benefit should likewise live more openly and venture our own leadership in our spheres.
I hate to sound like the stupid new guy, but I just started reading your blog so I guess I am the SNG. What are APRF's and MRA's?
This guy is a total cuckold fetishist. When he considered his wife attractive, he most likely spent all of his time graphically thinking about her cheating on him, now that she apparently isn't good enough for his fantasies, he's thinking about the stuff you do when Mr. E's not around.
Pretty sick to subject you to listening to it, though. It's okay to have fetishes, but it's pretty creepy to make other people read them.
And I believe the 'mountains' he loves are under your shirt, Ren. Sorry, but with all of the references to your breasts, I couldn't help but think this.
I think there would also be the concern that if a woman is so sexually active with such a number of men, that her husband might spend a great deal of time wondering how he measured up.
PROJECTING PROJECTING PROJECTING.
God, it's such a textbook case.
This dude hits at least half the squares on the Bingo card I made. Although I should add another square for repeatedly talking about "most men."
Oh, and I agree w/ that creepy libertarian chick! That would be very... telling, and amusing.
First thing to remember: A lot of guys are full of shit. I say this as a guy. I’m not a male feminist or an MRA, I’m just an average guy in almost every way, the type that most women might say hello to in the elevator and forget seeing five minutes later. I’m not complaining about it, I’m okay with that, there are a lot of people in this world like me, and even we can get dates!
I read Ren’s blog because she cracks me up, along with a few of her regulars. Ren is funny as hell in that cutting way I like. She’s also smart, and yes, I like looking at her tits. They’re pretty damn nice. Tits aside though, Ren and the crew here make me think about a lot of things, and not in some over the top preachy feminist or die kind of way. I look at some of the crap both men and women spout off at her and others and I think what is with you people and how did you find this planet?
But on this topic, I hope to hell I am not that guy, but I know on some levels I am, and I’m working on it. The truth remains though that a lot of guys are full of shit. A guy can go out and fuck as many women as he wants and no one cares. If guy is in porn or a stripper everyone thinks it’s cool and awesome that he has a job where he gets laid or can get laid constantly. If a guy spends serious time working out to look buff and manly, people admire his willpower and dedication. If he shows it off, he’s confident. The terms we have for men who do this sort of thing for a living are stud or pro-athlete. But if a girl does it she’s a whore with low self-esteem looking for attention and validation. That is an example of stupid male shit. I think there are a lot of women out there with the same sort of sex drive generally attributed to men and who just like looking good and showing off a little, and the fact that they take shit for it says a lot about, well, I suppose you’d call it the Patriarchy.
Because truth is, if men, women and society can’t shame some women for being sluts, not only would they lose one of their favorite pastimes, they lose a lot of control, and that scares the shit out of a lot of people. If a woman, especially a good looking one, can go out and fuck whoever she wants, whenever she wants, with no strings, especially for money without being shamed for it…well face it, a lot of people are fucked in a whole different way. You will have a lot of other women feeling as if they’ll never get a man or worrying their man is out screwing someone else, or a lot of someone else’s, a lot of men figuring the only way they’ll ever get a woman they find attractive is to pay for it or wondering if their women are getting paid for it, and you’ll have a lot of people happy and fucking and having a good time and making money and everyone with hurt feelings having no way to make themselves feel better! Because that is what slut shaming is all about, making people with hurt feelings feel better. Men do it: “That girl is a fucking whore”! Translation: “Wow she’s hot and I like her but she won’t fuck me!”, Women do it: “God that girl is such a slut, she must have no self-esteem!” Translation: “She’s hot and gets to fuck how and when she wants and doing so has paid for her BMW!” And this might sound MRA like, but if we’re being truthful and all, if the stigma of being a whore goes away, people who aren’t whores are fucked, and not in a good way. We know this. Society has enforced the whore stigma for centuries through religion, media, and the arts because the idea of whores as people with rights and no stigma scares the shit out of people who then could not compete. The whores would have the power.
And I think Ren here, stigma and all, has figured that out. She knows sex and intimacy are two different things (another lie perpetuated to keep women from being who and what they want sexually- after all, the myth is men will fuck for fun and indiscriminately, women need intimacy! Who do you think made that up and why?), she realizes that as an attractive women she can command a pretty decent fee for her sexuality (and in modern society, money is power), and I’m pretty sure she’s realized there are a lot of men who turn into complete idiots willing to empty their wallets when presented with a nice pair of tits and the mere whiff of sex with a woman many guys wouldn’t ever have a shot of being with.
But it’s so degrading, right? Only because society has to police and shame whores and sex and tell them it’s degrading. Yes, I watch porn. I jerk off to porn. I enjoy watching attractive women having sex. It turns me on. I watch some gonzo too. Sure, it’s rough and messy and physical and there is name-calling. But if the woman doing it enjoys it or honestly doesn’t care and sees it as her job, if she doesn’t feel degraded, I don’t see why people have to beat her over the head with “but yes, yes, it is, don’t you see!” To someone else it might be degrading, to her, it might be fun or a turn on or just part of the deal of working in porn. I think the assumption that only men fuck like that, or that all men want to fuck like that is stupid and shortsighted. A woman into gonzo sex would probably kill me. No way my desk jockey ass could keep up with that pace. My ego would be crushed and I’d end up in serious pain if not traction, so gonzo sex isn’t for me. So why is it impossible to think that a woman might really be into it? The only reason I can think of is that denying such women’s agency and shaming them makes other people feel better.
As for Mr. E… I salute the dude. As much as I’d like to say I’d moved to a point where I could date or marry a porn star or stripper, I couldn’t, but not because of her or what she does, but because of me. I’d be jealous. I’d be thinking “She’s out there getting paid to do some stud with a 10 inch dick and six-pack abs with an ass made of steel and then she has to come home to my pathetic non-Adonis self…”
At which point I’d have to drown myself in beer and cheese wiz. But see, that’s not on her, it’s on me. And any guy who says he isn’t jealous of other good-looking men that women find hot is full of shit. Brad Pitt has done more to destroy male egos than any woman ever could. So I figure Mr. E is either a total stud himself, or smart enough to realize that Ren likes him enough for a whole lot of reasons that she’s stuck around, and he not only gets to have sex with a chick that knows all that porn stuff, but gee, she’s a person and the total package is worth it. As for what other people think, well that’s not Ren’s problem or Mr. E’s problem, it’s the problem of those other people.
And if people do say crap about Ren behind Mr.E’s back, it’s for one of three reasons: They’re afraid, jealous, or their feelings are hurt so they have to take it out on someone else.
So MountainLover, who so beat your inner moppet that you have to take it out on Mr. E? And Ren. And your wife? And lay off the porn, because it’s stopped affecting your dick and started affecting your mind in a bad way. It’s okay to like Ren’s tits, but the salacious detail with which you wondered what Mr. E’s coworkers think about her? It’s creepy and makes the rest of us harmless pervs who like porn look bad.
Not that guy:
The god emperor of Rome salutes you.
Anony:
Anti Porn Radical Feminist
&
Men's Rights Activist
holy shit ml am i glad i'm not married to you. i have nothing but pity for the poor woman who lives with your unbridled creepiness and obvious contempt.
you are so full of assumptions and stereotypes and bullshit i can't even bring myself to respond to your specific comments. it's just not worth my time.
here's the creepiest thing about you: you have no idea how creepy you actually are.
i have a suggestion, it's like therapy for assholes.
1. print our r's post in response to your original comment.
2. print out all of these comments.
3. read them out loud to your wife every night for a month.
4. see what happens.
it's almost like mountainlover feels that his wife has no right to be sexual, since she's "let herself go". which, you know, she might have another opinion...
What? You're sexual and happy?
You have a husband?
This means you're not giving him his 'all whores will meet an unpleasant end' script.
If you were his wife he'd make sure he gave you tragedy - after all that's the way it's supposed to be.
No wonder his wife has made herself non-sexual.
Now there you have the whole madonna/prostitute thing in one tiny nutshell. As long as he can project his fantasies onto you while he pulls his pud, everything's fine. But having to think of you as an actual human being with thoughts and feelings, much less someone's loving spouse? No way on that. Can't happen. Not possible for a woman to be both a focus for the lust of strangers and an intimate partner to a specific individual. No, you must choose between these roles so that assholes of this type don't have to give themselves headaches by trying to project their own stunted self-images into the unimaginable situation of actually loving somebody who has sex with others for a living. And the sheer Ickyness of kissing someone who actually gave another guy a BJ earlier in the day, it's just too much for the poor, little dude.
Personally, I kinda like it when Nina comes home from the set wanting more, which is pretty often since set sex is quite different from the kind we have together and/or with playmates. Yes, we do the shower thing. In fact, we do the Hibiclens scrub these days, which i recommend to all workers who have close bodily contact with anyone, given some of the stuff that's going around. But the essential idea of work-as-foreplay is a shared turn-on for us
And I do find the idea of being her partner of choice when she has a lot of other choices quite flattering. Moreover, I don't have to imagine my partner doing things with others, because I direct her frequently on video and get to choreograph and then watch what she does with others. That can be very hot at times, but alas, as a director, most often I'm too worried about why I seem to be picking up Radio Juarez through the headphones because somehow the boom-pole got grounded to kick back and enjoy the show.
And no, I don't see her as a status symbol. We're both amused by the way other guys' eyes follow her famous butt through a restaurant (like we don't see them gawking with their tongues hanging out), but we're both sex workers, pretty well known in our respective specialties, with almost exactly equal incomes and separate but overlapping fan bases, so we're neither competitive nor dependent on one another for our self-esteem.
When it comes to off-camera sport sex, I'm fortunate to have been born deficient of the jealousy gene. I just don't care what anybody does with his or her anatomy when whatever they're doing doesn't involve mine. If one good deed in all of human history was ever motivated out of jealousy, I've yet to encounter it in my research on the subject.
I offer these thoughts because I occasionally run into jerk-offs like this guy who subject me to all kinds of nudge-nudge-wink-wink bullshit about what a lucky individual I am before slipping in some kind of jab about being suitcase pimp. I have, in fact been called a pimp of various sorts - suitcase, virtual and actual - online and in person so many times by so many clueless jokers I can only sigh wearily when it happens and glance at my watch by way of staging a quick exit. This, in the end, is my problem with some porn fans. They're like that guy in Annie Hall who confides his suicidal tendencies to Woody Allen. On the one hand, they only feel safe to share their secrets with someone for whom they have no respect, while on the other expecting that someone to give a shit. Why should i care what gets these clowns off when they're only relaying this invaluable intelligence to me because they would never have the sand to tell the truth about their inner desires to anyone they considered an equal?
Don't get me wrong. It's not a broad generalization. Overall, Nina's fans are about the sweetest, most adoring, most respectful men and women ever likely to approach a person in public. They reflect back the kindness and caring Nina projects in her performances and in her public outreach work.
And my fans tend to be over-educated geeks who, aside from wanting to get all technical with me about BDSM, are perfectly polite and often give me much more credit than I deserve for having validated their sexuality with my work.
It's just those few weirdos who start out acting all nice and civil and then get down to the TMI about their own shame and guilt and inner conflict that they simply must unload on me who really make me want to take a shower. They're also the ones I worry about in terms of dangerous stalking behavior.
Anyway, I just had to ramble on a bit about what goes through the warped brain of at least one kind of man with whose thoughts this fool seems so obsessed. I don't compare myself to Mr. E or the S.O. of any other sex worker. We're all as different as the women with whom we're affiliated. But at least in my case, I'd have to say the whole thing isn't a problem, much less his problem. He owns that all by himself. I see by his defensive response that he thinks you should share his miserable prejudices as he assumes everyone in the world must. Obviously, he's as clueless about that as he is about the personal deficits and insecurities his own comments reveal. He clearly thinks he's "normal" and that any "normal" man thinks the same way.
If that's normal, he can have it. And while the word "whore" can be a term of endearment, the way he uses it grates on me, I rather imagine, as it does on you. His type is the very reason the term and those to whom it is applied are stigmatized. He's just too lame to make the connection. So, ML take your bigotry over to someplace like xxxporntalk.com where you'll meet a lot of your fellow losers with similar fucked up ideas about sex workers, their mates and men and women in general. Meantime, my sympathies to your wife. If she's lost interest in sex, maybe you should look in the mirror for clues as to why.
This is probably too abstract a concept for moutainlover but I found this on "ModestlyYours.net" of all places. The blog post was on San Francisco Chronicle readers nasty and judgmental comments regarding Lenny Kravitz's celebacy.
"Ugh, people attacking other people's sexuality make me shudder. From the people who brought you heteronormativity: mandatory sex, whether you want it or not! Blech."
"How's this for a revolutionary idea: everybody should have as much sex as they want (not less, not more) and everybody else should get out of their faces?"
Word.
notthat (well, and Mountain, though you annoy me so I don't give a fuck):
"She’s out there getting paid to do some stud with a 10 inch dick and six-pack abs with an ass made of steel and then she has to come home to my pathetic non-Adonis self…"
Why are you so intently focused on yourself as "pathetic"? If someone has chosen to be your intimate partner, to remain with you through difficult times, she has to see something in you, right? (Unless she's completely brainwashed by the "marry, and never stray" nonsense and actually hates you. Which I think you'd be aware of, if it were true.)
So why get these images in your mind of how much better others are than you? WHat does worrying like that do for you? There's some reason she picked you, right? Why doubt that that reason matters less than big penises, or something like that?
And if you really actually wanted to be more of her "Adonis," there are things like gyms around. Or even just simple things like careful attention to her desires, which matters more in the end anyway.
Trinity:
Wow, if I was a woman, this is the part where I’d get to say check you privilege, right?
Women have it worse, but do you think men don’t suffer from body image issues and pressure? Do you think we don’t notice women looking at and talking about good-looking actors, athletes, musicians, and guys in a club or bar? Do you think we don’t wish we could look like that? Do you think that we’re immune to self-esteem problems, body image problems and peer pressure? Do you think it is a made up movie trope when the fat or skinny kid gets beat up by the jocks in the locker room? Well guess what? It isn’t.
And no it’s not Ren or any other woman’s fault that myself and other men may have these feelings. But just as women can be susceptible to negative body image, so can men.
And really, what would you say to a man who came here and said to a woman “Well, if you have a problem with your looks, why don’t you just go to the gym?”
Maybe I work 60 hours a week and I’m too tired to pump iron. Maybe I have asthma and bad knees. Or maybe I’ve already thought of that and do go to the gym yet due to my OWN issues, I’d still be jealous if a woman I was dating was screwing men more attractive than I am. It’s something I’m working on, but I’m not there yet, and I’ll thank you very much not to judge me on it.
Women don’t have a lock on these kinds of issues and dealing with them. Men get to have image and esteem issues too.
And how would you know what sort of attention I pay to women’s desires?
Great points, notthatguy.
I think Mountainlover, as with the APRFs and MRAs, is exhibit #1000023 of somebody not owning their own issues and projecting them on others.
Not turned on by your wife? Hey, no condemnation here – I'm enough of a cynical realist about relationships to write that off with "it happens, unfortunately". (But I hope your clearly borderline self-esteem can deal with the fact that these things are often a two-way street.)
But, you know, there are ways to deal with it like a freaking ADULT. You have choices – either 1) work on rekindling the desire for this woman you claim to love, 2) deciding the relationship is not worth it, your sexual happiness lies elsewhere, and making a clean break, 3) both of you decide you're going to stick with the relationship and be supportive in other ways and have your sexual needs met elsewhere (note that 3 usually doesn't work, but its been known to work for some people). What not to do – 1) take your lack of attraction out on her, either in abusive or passive/aggressive ways, nor 2) take it out on women you are attracted to – not women you know, and not complete strangers, like you're doing here.
Now hating on people you're sexually attracted to, thereby making it certain that nobody who you're attracted to will have anything to do with you – that's got be a particular circle of hell of one's own making! An all-too-common one, though.
Ah, so -that's- who's actually answering the spam emails about viagra and penile extensions. I always wondered.
Because truth is, if men, women and society can’t shame some women for being sluts, not only would they lose one of their favorite pastimes, they lose a lot of control, and that scares the shit out of a lot of people. If a woman, especially a good looking one, can go out and fuck whoever she wants, whenever she wants, with no strings, especially for money without being shamed for it…well face it, a lot of people are fucked in a whole different way.
yes, that's astute.
homophobia works in very similar and often overlapping ways.
IACB,
I believe it's known as not wanting to belong to any club that would have one as a member.
You're rather more compassionate toward this kind of person than I could ever be, which is no criticism. Compassion has been known to guide some toward the influence of the better angels of their natures.
In this particular instance, however, perhaps it's best he stick to making life a misery where he is, which is bad enough. If there's one thing he does make clear in his conflicted, overheated diatribes, it's that he is not unfamiliar with the feeling of ambivalence, and there are sound reasons to avoid the company of ambivalent persons.
Moving backward for a second, and speaking of compassion, I'm glad to see Ren and Amber show some for nothatguy, who clearly works hard at not being anything like that guy and deserves some credit for it.
He also deserves some credit for admitting that some times it's hard to be a man. Yeah, I know. It's like Chris Rock says about being black: Ain't none of you white motherfuckers out there willing to trade places with me, and I'm rich." There is simply no comparison between the competitive pressures society puts on men in the area of sexual attractiveness and what women endure every day on the same score.
But that doesn't mean those pressures aren't there and that they don't manifest themselves in some harsh and downright deadly ways. The odd Brad Pitt notwithstanding, what this society teaches makes a man attractive are wealth, power and position, things he by and large can't control. That's no excuse for playing the cards you're dealt with some style, but it may determine how far you can advance in the game.
How does Donald Trump get all those hot babes? Clearly, it's not his stylish 'do, or his charming personality, though I wouldn't be surprised if he were a good bit more disarming in private than you'd expect. Guys who make deals for a living often are. But the bottom line, as it were, is that you or I will never know what it's like to be Donald Trump, or have any of the perks that go with that dubious distinction.
Now I might not want to belong to any club that would have him as a member, but that doesn't mean the vast majority of men don't feel some pang of self-reproach when they see how far a fellow of that sort can get on how little.
Deeply unAmerican though it be to say this, luck has a lot to do with it. You can make your own bad luck a lot more easily than the other kind, and most men, rightly or wrongly, feel at one time or another that that's exactly what they've done with their lives. I can't imagine that women wouldn't feel exactly the same way now and again with just as little personal justification.
The fulcrum on which capitalism hinges is its ability to get us to think we need more so we'll do more to make more to consume more. When women entered the workforce in substantial numbers, they got the daily double - all the pressures society puts on them to fulfill the many other roles it assigns to women plus the new burdens of success measured in dollars that men have to carry.
The winners in this game fly over us in their private jets and never doubt they deserve to be where they are. Those doubts are left to everybody else, and everybody suffers them in one form or another.
Assholes abound on the internet. Lately they're calling me whore and ho like it's a bad thing. LOL
*Head ASSplosion alert! Bleeding pressure... done. DisASSter averted.*
Now, you know, I really wonder what this dude is after. He can not understand how Mr.E is dealing with his wife's work. So what? He is not her husband, so this is not his problem.
@MountainLover
Guy, what you are after? What is your point? You dunno how one could marry a "whore"? You know, I dunno how one could marry a devout Republican Party fan (note, I am Russian, live in Moscow, so my outlook on "republicans in US" is quite sketchy).
So what? You don't have to marry a "whore" and I don't have to marry a Republican (ewww! :) )
Is this somehow an "issue" worth discussing? What is the point of such "discussion"? wasting good HTML code?
And what is the point of the following statement: "I don’t know how many men comment here regularly, but I am sure many of them, aside from Anthony who seems to feel the need to defend you at every turn, or other men in situations like your husband, would agree with me and tell you that this is reality."?
The only response I can think of is the response I already gave a blowhard asshole on Amber's blog.
Selfquote:
Simple fact, yes, there are still people who are likely to consider a person “discredited” because of his/her “unclean” racial heritage or sexual orientation. So what?
I don't see your point, MountainLover. I really really don't.
P.S.:
Also, the way you describe your "very own faithful wife" gave me creeps. I never "had creeps" on internetz, and I've been to ogrish!
You, sir, are indeed... I dunno, creepy and sad in a very depressive way.
I really commiserate your wife.
I read this post, and i find mr. mountainlover's remarks nothing short of disgusting.
Ren, thanks for ratting him out. I knew that he was a troll right from the start.
Dear MountainLover,
Here is what I am getting from your comments:
"I love porn, and I am ashamed of watching it. I deal with this shame by actively dehumanizing the participants and those connected to the industry. Now I have stumbled upon a blog whose author is a porn performer, it's hard for me to dehumanize her, and this is messing with my worldview. So I will throw some false compliments her way, and proceed to shame her, and her loving husband. Because, um, because otherwise I might have to admit to myself that some of those hot porn stars also have normal, happy relationships, and my head might explode from the sheer jealousy and frustration at the thought.
Porn stars, you are meant to SERVE ME! If you betray the fact that you are human beings, it interrupts my wankage! I can't deal with the idea of you being human beings, just like, deep inside, I can't deal with the idea of women being human beings.
Woe iz me.
Allow me now to project said woe.
Oh, and
*wank wank wank*"
Oh, and for anyone who's interested, here's an interview with Ren's husband:
http://nataliaantonova.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/so-whats-it-like-being-in-an-unconventional-marriage-evan/
You know, all silly jokes, anger and disgust aside, I guess we should be sorry for mountain dude.
No, really!
He is stressed, ambivalent, sad, and his "family" is a wreck.
He can't even chose a proper victim to shame and torment in order to make himself feel better!
ML, yes, men do read Ren's blog. And clearly many of us agree with her in thinking you're a fucknut.
Ren, keep up the good work!
I read MountainLover's comments with a lot of eye-rolling, but I think he had good intentions. He's not attracted to his wife anymore, fantasizing about women like Ren and looking for an honest How To Date a Porn Star guide. If he could get over his jealousy issues, I think he'd like nothing better than to turn his fantasy woman into his reality wife.
What's annoying is his inability to just say, "Different strokes for different folks" and be done with it. It is absolutely true that in a lot of circles, bringing home (or to the office party) a sex worker is going to be a *really big deal*. It's absolutely true that a lot of men wouldn't feel comfortable dating a woman who gets naked for anybody but them. Fortunately there's a great big sea out there.
There are lots of people with whom I can't imagine sustaining a successful relationship:
- anyone religious
- Bush supporters
- guys who spend more time on their hair than I do
- anyone who identifies with/enjoys/supports the use of the phrase "emo"
- men who want to have children
I can't fathom bringing a right wing nut job to one of my adult industry conventions. I would certainly suffer the consequences of dating such a person and be talked about behind my back. If they read his blog entries applauding Ann Coulter? I would absolutely DIE of embarrassment!
The difference, of course, is that I'm not going to go post on some Republican blogs about how I can't understand how their spouses deal with the shame and humiliation of being with their partners.
If you read this, ML, take a moment to consider that there are all sorts of marriages out there running the gamut from button down sexless to swinging polyamorous. There's no single template that spells happiness (or signals divorce) for all of us.
my money's on this: ML is Samantha. :)
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