Can you imagine that the comments over on my post that made it to AlterNet can all easily be filed under typical?
Nah, we don't need a Sex Workers Rights Day or attention drawn to Sex Workers and the shit they face....
I mean come on, Sex Workers deserve to be treated like garbage, don't they?
"Think of it as stolen property," Svekla told his sister of the body left in her truck in May 2006.
"If you're caught with stolen property, it doesn't mean you stole it." Svekla is accused of killing two prostitutes: Theresa Innes, 36, and Rachel Quinney, 19. (h/t to Cara)
The sluts deserved it after all, I mean, why is this a feminist issue anyway??? You Sex Workers Rights Whores just care about men getting laid!
Right. I care so much about men getting laid I cordially invite a whole lot of people to go fuck themselves.
Tuesday, March 04, 2008
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Ren,
Good for you for once again daring hostile territory to impart a truthful message.
As for the responses, well, Nina and I both know plenty about AN's vipers' nest of sex-work haters. That was where Chyng Sun's original commentary suggesting that maybe liberals ought to avert their eyes from the horror of Alberto Gonzales' AG appointment because, after all, he is anti-porn and porn is anti-woman and therefore self-described progressives who don't want to be thought of as anti-woman should, perhaps, consider Gonzales not so bad after all, even though he is pro-torture.
And after Nina dared to sully the leftist purity of CounterPunch with her rebuttal, that same bunch of characters, including your pal and ours Sam Berg, beat the stuffings out of the CP management for allowing the posting of "sex industry propaganda."
The bottom line is that this particular crowd, while loudly proclaiming that they have been silenced, really wants everyone else to shut up and is prepared to make life a misery for anyone who expresses a contrary opinion.
Kudos to you for taking the battle to their doorstep. That's where it needs to be joined.
Self-identified Swedish feminist who are for sex workers rights here again. :)
Good thing you made it to AlterNet! But the comments... Shit, don't these people see what they are doing when their "la-la-la won't listen to you, you help the patriarchy and for that you deserve pretty much anything that's coming to you"?
I had completely missed that it was the international sex workers rights day - a combination of being busy and being located in Sweden, where, well, you know how it is here... I looked at some Swedish sex workers blogs but none of them seemed to have anything on it either. Is this an international event or mainly a US affair?
Jenny:
It's a NEW event I think is the primary problem. But yes, the comments, telling...I will probably rant about that later. Yes yes, we get that APRF's are AGAINST men's entitlement to women's bodies (nary you mind the women who choose to do it), HOWEVER, while they are busy figuring out how to get men to get over this sense of entitlement, women's bodies are piling up...oh, wait, dead women's bodies. And these same women simply flat out refuse to recongnize their privilege: if they get raped, robbed, beaten...well, they can go to the law and stand a shot at justic. Sexworkers, even the legal ones? Ha. Hahahahhahaa. Thier odds SUCK.
ernest:
"The bottom line is that this particular crowd, while loudly proclaiming that they have been silenced, really wants everyone else to shut up and is prepared to make life a misery for anyone who expresses a contrary opinion. "
Ain't that the truth...
New as in new for this year? I googled it and it seems as if in India, it has been observed since 2001: The Hindu
(hope the link works)
Ernest, so true! Here in Sweden, any attempt to discuss sex workers in a more nuanced way, such as actually letting them join in the conversation, is met with "why do they get to speak? what about the ones that are suffering?", as if allowing someone like Ren to speak automatically means that we must believe that the trafficked 16 year old from Moldavia is on equal footing with Ren.
And how are THEY helping the trafficked 16 year old? What strategy do they have? I don't see a lot of action, just hot air.
Oups, just saw on Feministe that the International Sex Workers Day started in India in 2001. Note to self: read before posting.
The reaction to your piece at AlterNet, Ren??
Not surprising at all to me....in fact, totally expected, considering that their director is a staunch antiporn feminist; most of their articles are slanted towards the antiporn feminist view, and most of their commentators are antiporn.
To be fair, though, AlterNet and CounterPunch represents a more elitist strain of left-liberal politics; they are not necessarily representative of the popular Left as a whole.
And at the very least,they did allow Ren to post her article, which is more than I can say for most "pwogwessive" outlets, which would reject Ren out of hand.
Anthony
Ren did not post Ren's article. Jill of Feministe did, WITH REN'S PERMISSION, of course. And I'm not surprised, hence, filed under typical.
OOPS...then props to Jill, and I stand corrected.
Anthony
I got furious and posted some more over there--GROWF!
I would really like to go into details and ask how their jobs don't feed the patriarchy, too--but I limited myself to asking that question only once.
But really--WHERE are they getting that???? I've never had a job that didn't feed the patriarchal machine in some way--how did these paragons of feminist virtue avoid that? Do they live in feminist communes, away from civilization and totally into composting? Because, you know, I tried that one too, and the patriarchy found it's evil way in there, too...go figure!
They must believe --
1) In reality, there is no such thing as patriarchy, it's just a word they toss around for dramatic effect.
or
2) There IS patriarchy, but their housewifery, motherhood, heterosexuality, jobs, clothes, consumerism, choices, somehow has nothing to do with it.
Therefore, they need to post their job descriptions, so I can analyze them and illustrate to them how THEY TOO kiss the patriarchy's ass.
I hate when I lapse into quoting the Apostle Paul (THERE IS NOT ONE RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE!)... but you know, what the hell ELSE can you say to such total idiocy?????
Jenny Penny writes:
"Here in Sweden, any attempt to discuss sex workers in a more nuanced way, such as actually letting them join in the conversation, is met with "why do they get to speak? what about the ones that are suffering?"
That reminds me of a possibly apocryphal story I heard about what members of the Swedish press said about Abba in the 1970s – "Do you know how many people died at Waterloo, and you're making a happy song about it?" (Not that I'm an Abba fan, mind you.)
I don't know enough about Sweden to know whether that kind of moral one-upsmanship is typical, though.
Nice Job! :)
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