Renegade Evolution: Ahem.

Saturday, April 19, 2008

Ahem.

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Edited for some privacy. Your comments have been published here. You've been more or less told to please behave and follow the blog owners guidelines on Questioning Transphobia, you speak here of professionalism in your comments, then there is this gem...

I have to ask, oh professionalism loving feminist...punk, witchy, whoever...was this professional? Was it free of abusive language? How about your behavior here? Maybe allowing me to be threatened on your blog? How about the trolling in general?

I do think it is rather amusing. I sort of figure you and some of your allies are hoping I get all bent out over your comments and posts and gasp, get angry (how dare I?) and say something rash...

Not going to happen. I learned my lesson. I can make one statement and it will forever be used, again and again, to derail and misguide and color, yet Dana Seilhan can more or less say strippers deserve to be raped, Various Other Sisters can constantly make statements about how much they'd love to kick the ass of, slap, lobotomize, whatever, various sex pos types, and why yes, even actually threaten people and its okay. They can drive-by the blogs of sex workers and trans folk...Very professional and feminist and what not. Brava. Excellent work!

Now, I may or may not be at this debate. Sam may or may not be at this debate. I hope both of us are at this debate...and sure enough, my hands are not sparkly clean, yet neither are anyone else's. Including Sam's. So let's turn off our very selective vision and memory for a bit. It's not very professional.

Oh, and for the record- I'm a performer and activist, thanks...and for a not performer and merely activist, you've offered up some very dramatic performances, perhaps the local community theatre would be a fine place should you ever find yourself wishing for a new hobbey? And I'm sorry the humorous edge to my "serious" post and the mention of masturbation so offended you. I shall promise to sleep with my hands above the covers.

33 comments:

Lisa Harney said...: It seems like it's bad to attack women, except when it's one of the bad women, like us. Then we're fair game.

Anyway, I saw her screech into my blog, leave a pile of crap on my doorstep, then rush over here to express her familiarity with your history in Bloglandia, which leads me to conclusions as to her actual identity.

It's sad, really, that someone is so hateful that she actually tries to mask her identity in the process. What does she think she'll accomplish? And what she posted at my blog - is she 12?; 12:51 PM
Renegade Evolution said...: Lisa, since were all about professionalism and watching what we say as it may effect our ability to speak and be heard, I'd love to read what she said at your blog. Could you post it here in the comments???; 12:56 PM
Lisa Harney said...: Sure - it's quoted in the post you linked, but here you go:

"'Transwomen' are usually white and male. It is wholly offensive of any white male person to lump his self in with black women and prostituted women, and to appropriate the language of civil rights - 'marginalized' - in order to increase the sexual excitement he derives from inhabiting those identities. But then, neither black women, prostituted women or prostituted black women would expect white males to understand this."

I like her explicit erasure of trans women of color, trans women prostitutes, or trans women of color prostitutes while berating me for racism.; 1:03 PM
Lisa Harney said...: After all, nothing says "professionalism" like erasing people's identities for the sake of a cheap flame. I can get better from the WoW forum.; 1:05 PM
Outis said...: Since last night, I have run four blogger searches concerning the discussion panel at W&M. So far I have nothing supporting Ms. Berg. All of the mentions have been about you, Ren. All positive, I might add. So it comes as no surprise that a little bit of support for Berg would be forthcoming.

I find it odd that WW didn't support Berg... She chose to attack you. I guess the strategy was to get you to say something rash and in so doing, give credence to Berg’s argument. However, I guess that this kind of behavior should not be unexpected coming from a person that has such deep issues with men. Sadly, I fear that her concerns have long since passed the obsessive stage.

If she is trying to get to you through posting and trolling, I would rather imagine she is going to be running out of bullets fairly soon.

Oh, and btw Ren, would you mind if some of us used the pic that you sent Daisy from time to time on our blogs? It really is a great picture of you.

Outis; 2:06 PM
belledame222 said...: oh OH.

it's been quite a week for people letting their ass show, hasn't it?

witchy, I realize it must suck to be you, but -really-, this obsession of yours is getting unseemly.; 2:10 PM
Plain(s)feminist said...: Maybe allowing me to be threatened on your blog?

She didn't just *allow* it. She actively celebrated it, complete with references the next day to cleaning bloodstains out of the rug.; 3:43 PM
belledame222 said...: Oh, yeah, that's right: w-w was very very concerned with "professionalism," always.

One might almost think that she were overcompensating; that, you know, she had reason to think that her own position as Fierce Protector Of All Women was somehow being compromised by her performance at her actual job. Or vice versa. Or, well.; 3:47 PM
thene said...: belledamme? You’re just a fuckwit and I can’t take anything you say seriously anymore. Sorry. I’m sure you’re a lovely person and all that but you’re ignorant and you post shite. You’re an obvious puppet.

Mmm, can you feel the gynhood? The respect and love for all women, all the time?

Thank fuck she doesn’t call herself a feminist anymore. It’d be interesting to know what solidarity means to people like her. She’s like “oh sex work is fabby and i get so much money by fucking johns on film and being humiliated, which i luuurve, because i’m such a rad chick…”

Aah, not only love-and-respect-for-women, but also great reading comprehension. Fuck, this isn't (if it ever was) about which 'side' I might 'agree' with; it's seeing who has basic respect for other women, who tries to understand what others believe and allows them to honour those views, and who is prepared to accept that it's okay for women to not agree with each other. Guess what? It ain't Witchywoo.; 4:10 PM
betty blue said...: witchy woo is fucking batshit. she is the new Biting Beaver. And no, that's not a compliment.

sorry she can't let go of talking shit about you.; 4:25 PM
Soulhuntre said...: We all know she's crazy, but I have to say I am most amused by the messiah complex. As if the fate of all humanity getting out of "the shitheap" depends on her.

It must be awesome in that world... the one where you get to be the underdog hero of the movie in your head, your every failing and failure the fault of a vast conspiracy and your most banal accomplishment thus elevated to a victory against globe spanning forces. You are free to attack anyone at all with total moral superiority and wail like a stuck pig when anyone so much as glances at you incorrectly.

Of course they are setting it up so Sam can pull out. If they can't get you cut, then Sam will pull out and play the (shocker) wounded victim. They will talk for months and years about how you "silenced" her and drove her into the arms of her therapist.

Let's be honest, they are only really capable of acting when they can claim to be oppressed... so this is just another excuse.

My suggestion to you? Podcast! Seriously... pick some folks you like and record once a week, once every two... whatever. You can do it over the phone or via skype, whatever. The technology is easy. Hell Talkshoe makes it trivial! You could even host a call in show.

I think you've got a lot to say and I think a more personal medium will bring out the most important difference between your worldview and theres - you have something more going on than just doom, gloom and hatred. Take on some issues, laugh with your friends, just comment on Guitar Hero... whatever. It is impossible for them to define you when people can get to know you that way.

Just a thought...; 6:15 PM
belledame222 said...: I still want to know whose hand is supposed to be up my ass. I mean, it's only polite after all this time.; 6:57 PM
Vanessa said...: Belle, I thought you were the cadre leader, not the puppet!

This is all so confusing...; 7:13 PM
Celia said...: I am faintly ashamed to be sharing a land mass with this person.

Also, if she is Witchy, I know she is the same age as my mother, and yet I can't imagine my mother getting involved in this. It's behaviour more representative of someone forty years younger, though I wouldn't say it was exactly "dignified" for anybody. But a crazy hormonal fourteen year old might have an excuse.; 7:27 PM
Tom Nolan said...: As a radical feminist who’s “out there”...I’m told that I type the way I talk (or vice versa) so what you see is always what you get... I make people laugh, I make them think, I’m challenging and honest

The trouble with you, young lady, is that you're just too damned modest about your achievements. Yes, the movement is of paramount importance and so on, but that's no reason for you to neglect to emphasize your wonderful personal qualities.

I’m sorry, but, as a feminist, I’ve removed myself from the shitheap. It’s not of my design nor making and I don’t belong there

Now that's more like it. The decision to eke out a life on supplementary benefit is indeed, when seen from the correct ideological perspective, a revolutionary gesture and you are quite right to be proud of it.; 7:40 PM
Tom Nolan said...: It's behaviour more representative of someone forty years younger, though I wouldn't say it was exactly "dignified" for anybody

True of a lot of radfems, I'm afraid - for a long time I was under the impression that one particularly noxious exemplar was a very immature 18 year old. Turns out that she's in her forties.; 7:44 PM
belledame222 said...: Vanessa: well, apparently when it comes to bullying Amanda Marcotte and inciting WoC to anger they'd otherwise not have, I am the ringleader. But when it comes to the Ultimate Challenge, the awesomely fearful Supra-Feminists as represented by witchy & co, clearly, I am but a humble servant of the Patriarchy. It all makes sense if you think about it. Well, and if you whack yourself on the head with a brick a few times.

What I'm still not clear on is who, concretely, is puppeteering me; I must have a HQ somewhere, after all, no? and a boss to report to? I think I should know; whoever it is must be getting awfully cranky by now that I haven't reported back for so long. frownie.; 7:44 PM
belledame222 said...: .I’m told that I type the way I talk (or vice versa)

...

god, her charges I mean clientele must be in for a barrel of laughs.

but yeah, one of your classic Asshole Bingo squares:

"You just can't handle my radical honesty! I'm not an asshole, I'm a PROPHET OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. Just call me Honest Jane.-"

"oh."; 7:47 PM
belledame222 said...: They do me wrong, and I will not endure it.
Who are they that complain unto the king,
That I forsooth am stern, and love them not?
By holy Paul, they love his grace but lightly,
That fill his ears with such dissentious rumours:
Because I cannot flatter and look fair,
Smile in men's faces, smooth, deceive, and cog,
Duck with French nods, and apish courtesy,
I must be held a rancorous enemy.
Cannot a plain man live, and think no harm,
But thus his simple truth must be abus'd
With silken, sly, insinuating Jacks?

...I am too childish-foolish for this world..."

--some patriarch writing about some other patriarch, don't worry about it, nothing to do with you, really.; 7:53 PM
belledame222 said...: I make people laugh

well, that bit's certainly true. although, sadly, not in the way she thinks...; 8:16 PM
Cindy said...: LMAO. I think she writes a post like that (on professionalism) then has to print it off and read it to herself 5 million times a day to make herself believe it. Complete and utter bullshit.; 8:17 PM
belledame222 said...: "I'm GOOD enough, I'm FEMINIST enough, and GOSH DARN IT, the Patriarchy is SCARED OF ME..."; 9:35 PM
Anthony Kennerson said...: Yeah, Witchy's some professional, she is.

A professional bullshit artist.

Gee...so now she wants to step away from the "shitheap"??? Conveniently forgetting that it's mostly HER shit that's doing most of the heaping???

Oh...and while she still reserves the right to throw her shit bombs at her "enemies" through pseudonyms, she still banishes even the faintest efforts at response and defense from her own venues???

This woman has some serious issues with herself; she should attack those herself rather than play Dwama Queen and project her crap onto others.

Anthony; 10:52 PM
Iamcuriousblue said...: "some patriarch writing about some other patriarch, don't worry about it, nothing to do with you, really."

I like the analogy.; 1:20 AM
belledame222 said...: I find it odd that WW didn't support Berg... She chose to attack you. I guess the strategy was to get you to say something rash and in so doing, give credence to Berg’s argument.

Honestly? I don't even think it was probably that coherent. Sadly, I think she thinks she -was- supporting Berg, with that. Which, casting aspersions on the organizers and recommending that Berg pull out (that'll show THEM), well, savor the brilliance.

I'm just so glad, you know, that this is the vanguard of the Revolution; I tremble with joy and gladness at the prospect of the glorious new world into which they'll lead us. assuming they don't trip over themselves and fall down a wymynhole on the way, or choke to death on their own toenails, which, well, why would they, really: they're PROFESSIONALS.; 5:57 AM
Tom Nolan said...: So, so true, the few privileged ones are acting as if the world revolved around them. They cannot get past their “me, me, me, me” arguments and “what about me?” and so forth. What a narcissism that is on their part! - Maggie Hays talking to Witchy, not about her.

Oh, and there is this signal difference between Witchy and Richard - Richard, for all his faults (and let's face it, having one's nephews suffocated in a grade A heritage-site is pretty bad form) he was no self-deceiver.; 6:17 AM
Lisa Harney said...: She dropped another comment (not approved, because her tone was bad - I mean, she didn't follow simple directions).

She altered her stance so now it's only "most trans women are white," reiterated that it's appropriation for white trans women to talk about civil rights as if we deserve to have any, twisted my words around, and reiterated her sick fantasy that trans women transition because of a fetish.

Fetishes aren't bad, but her attempt to reframe transgender issues as nothing more than sexual excitement shows both her ignorance and actual stupidity. No wonder she allows and encourages the kind of high school snottiness that happens frequently on her blog - it's her world.; 11:02 AM
roykay said...: It seems (not surprising) that witchywoo elected to delete a post I made in response:

>I, like most radical feminists, acknowledge the difficulties the patriarchy imposes on our selves, our interactions with others not of our "status" (including our children), our human relationships, our sexuality, our environment, ad nausesm.

As opposed to the difficulties you wish to lay on others, e.g. RenEV et al, on:

1) theirselves - Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, like their "triggering" presence?

2) their interactions with others not of their "status" - You mean like calling them "privileged" which somehow means, uh, exactly what? I see no reason why living in the west, with an education, and literacy, and perceptiveness, and experience somehow disqualifies someone to speak intelligently and on point. It's not like I see your side selecting uneducated and illiterate proponents from, say, Borneo.

3) (including their children) - So you side for or against the ersatz "friend" who decided that RevEv's status as a mother disqualified her to work and play in the milieu she elects to?

4) their human relationships - You mean like those who implied that Mr. E is her retirement plan?

5) their sexuality - So you encourage others to withhold judgment on how they prefer to play? If so, this is news to me, RenEv, "Bound, Not Gagged" and a host of others you seem more than happy to judge.

6) their environment - You mean the places they work and play, and the people they work and play with? For that matter, the people they have as friends and comrades?

7) ad nauseum - Indeed, I do see a nausating hypocrisy

>The list of patriarchially defined heirarchies is fucking endless, isn't it?

As contrasted with yours which consists of: 1)people who agree with you, and 2) people who should be suppressed, denied access to public fora in academic environments, and should remain voiceless while being jailed and fined in accord with you world view.

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>And this is absolutely unethical and dishonest to change the participants on one side of the panel only a few days before the event without even letting the opposing panelists know about the change. Would a rad fem be supposed to turn up there and then find out? How shady that is!

What is unethical about opportunistically improving the composition of the panel? Is there some ethical responsibility to leave one side operating at a disadvantaged, or limit the quality of the panel? If Sam Berg considered herself newly outclassed, she could have found a replacement of presumed better quality.; 7:27 PM
Amber said...: And I'm sorry the humorous edge to my "serious" post and the mention of masturbation so offended you. I shall promise to sleep with my hands above the covers.

ROFL!!!; 11:06 PM
Anonymous said...: She altered her stance so now it's only "most trans women are white,"

i wonder a little (but not enough to take the effort to wade through her site), does she bother to provide any support for that stance?

it's not an unreasonable stance at first glance, provided you limit "trans women" to "MTFs undergoing transition". transitioning, after all, is expensive, difficult and risky; it wouldn't be that much of a surprise if it's predominantly whites who have access to it in this country. that'd be unfairly overlooking transfolk who can't transition, but it might be a supportable statement. does she actually support it, though?; 9:10 AM
Lisa Harney said...: I don't think, really, that white people have the primary access to transition. It's not as expensive as you think, and doesn't even require medical supervision if you're desperate enough and can't afford it.

I think that white trans women are the most visible trans people in America and Europe, but that's because the media focuses on white trans women, not because there's a lack of trans men, or trans people of color, but rather that they're neglected. She posted on my blog, where I've talked about the Thai trans women, where I've posted about many trans people of color.

It's like she says that trans women have no connection to sex workers, and trying to find solidarity with them is appropriation - she's ignoring the large number of trans women who are themselves in sex work - and in sex work that tends to pay worse and be more dangerous than for cis women.

The fact is that trans people are in every population, and those issues do intersect, and are not irrelevant - it's offensive to tell me that commenting on those issues is appropriation when she apparently feels free to comment on sex workers and women of color because she's a cis woman.; 9:42 PM
belledame222 said...: It's also very similar to the line about how most gay people are wealthier than the rest of the population, you know, because they all look like Andrew Sullivan or the L Word, not because o I don't know that's what the media focuses on.

also, everyone in the United States looks/lives like Baywatch. It's true.; 3:46 AM
Sabertoothed Screaming Lemur said...: Wow, that's just... special. Am I wildly naive for asking if we can't just get along? Don't we mostly want the same things? Shit, I'm not a sex-worker or a sex-pos type necessarily, but I wouldn't argue with sex-worker rights. (Now can I have a cookie?)
God forbid Ren enjoy her job, or talk about sex, or have any fun.
I just wanted you to know that I like your blog, and I shall be sleeping with my hands under the covers all I want, thank you very much crazy radfems.; 2:25 AM

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