The organizer of the event is trying to talk reason to Sam, so I haven't been uninvited yet. I also really don't want to give the woman who is setting it up a huge headache, so I'm not going to give out her email...I'm not going to do that to her just because Sam is being unreasonable about this.
So, I guess, blog about it. I mean, how often have we seen this lately? Sex workers who aren't "anti" are scary? WoC are "Scary"? Transwomen are "scary"? Lesbians into BDSM are "Scary", and it is used to push them out, silence them, and keep them out of "Feminist" spaces and debates?
Enough is enough.
Thanks- Ren
Thursday, April 17, 2008
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oh yeah, I'm scary too, I guess.
"rude" "fucking mean bully."
hokey dokey then.
boo.
I am just outraged on your behalf, Ren.
Please, keep us posted.
Thanks for the update, Ren. I'm hoping W&M sees what a poor decision it would be to not have your voice heard at this forum.
Sending you lots of energy and strength.
Maeve
Having three posts about the same subject might seam a little much, but....
Perhaps you could start a post and ask for only POLITE requests and comments to W&M. You could link to that in an email and she wouldn't have to surface herself. I think it might buck her up a bit.
Bah, several things in life are scary. Maybe they should try to learn to deal with it instead of whatever it is they are doing.
There's a difference between "angry" and "scary."
The fact that anger scares them speaks volumes about their oppressive nature, I think.
My post is now up.
I am concerned that Berg will get her minions to write the organizers and pressure for the un-invite.
Roykay is right; we need some way to show how important it is for Ren to attend this conference.
My 0.02
Outis
And just when I was sharpening my pen....y'know, like Joe Pesci in "Casino"!
Just kidding...sort of. Let me know if I need to whip that pen out! I'll write like to make their ears bleed!
I've posted about it here:
http://ravenmn.blogspot.com/2008/04/lets-hear-from-real-workers-i-posted.html
I have a slightly different take because I have been an organizer for debates such as this one. What a supreme pain in the ass it is when an invited speaker starts listing demands. Sounds like this student has done more than anyone can ask to make this event possible. So why choose to make her life harder?
The W&M campus deserves to hear your voice and I would love to see a tape or get a transcript of the debate. Best of luck, my friend!
Oh thank goodness, someone else who isn't crazy, is in the feminist community, and addressing this issue.
THANK YOU!
You have restored a small amount of my faith that there are more people who can overcome their tribal instincts, or sheltered worldview, or highly simplistic ideology. And generally that there really are other people in the feminist movement who aren't CRAZY and think that hetero-sex is equivalent to rape (among other things).
...yes I've spent much too long on the Internet today.
Good luck and yes, please keep us posted.
Boo victim feminism.
There is a pattern here and it should not be overlooked. Every time a sex worker or anyone in support of sex workers gets anywhere near a public forum, the same brownshirts turn out to try and exclude them them from the debate or pack the hall with their own kind.
Same thing happened to Nina and me at UCLA. Panel moderator Mariel Garza described the flood of calls and emails to her office at The Los Angeles Daily News demanding that specific anti-porn speakers be added to our forum's line-up as "abusive and threatening." Fortunately, Garza is a tough newspaper reporter who doesn't fold in the face of such tactics and the antis were relegated to shouting at us from the audience.
Of course, these are the tactics of people who have been, to use Gail Dines' favorite phrase, "completely silenced ... completely!" That is, if you don't count Dines appearances on Fox News.
Clearly, it's actual sex workers who don't support the party line they want silenced, and they don't hesitate to engage in any form of intimidation to achieve that goal.
I sincerely hope Sam Berg fails in this attempt and that the students get to hear some real debate on the subject for a change.
Right now, I'm placing no bets.
heh. what if G. Gordon Liddy had found that Timothy Leary made him "uncomfortable?" or if Abraham Lincoln found Stephen Douglas "scary"?
Ren doesn't make Sam uncomfortable. the thought of losing the debate to Ren makes her uncomfortable.
I wish you luck. Even if you both end up on the same stage I fear that it's not going to be a real debate. Something will be done to attempt to silence you.
Never underestimate the power of professional victims like Sam to demand that you must shelter their weakness.
it is their primary weapon.... "I can't handle it, and since you can you must adapt to my needs!"
Trackback, the old fashioned way:
Free Speech for Sex Workers!
Thanks for the photo, Ren! :)
I hope everything works out!
Yeah, you can be scary; so what? You won't actually do anything (and anyone who reads you old outburst of anger as an actual threat needs to go and take a few remedial English classes).
You're not really scary so much as you're unstable.
Nony my sweet, IP and time long in are wondeful things....
You Have No Room to Speak of Unstable, I am actually pretty consistant....and I am never so cowardly as to be anonymous.
Cupcake, I am actually very consistant.
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