"As I mentioned previously, I have faced a great deal of criticism through the internet. Since November 2007, I have maintained a personal blog through wordpress.com entitled “The Road LessTraveled” (kylepayne. wordpress.com). Through this blog, I have spoken out in support of feminism and other social justice movements, particularly against different forms of violence (e.g. physical,sexual, military). In the days following my guilty plea, a pro-pornography blogger picked up the story, and having identified obvious discrepancies between the “public face” on my blog and my criminal actions, began an online smear campaign. This effort, which has garnered support from over fifty prominent bloggers from around the world, as well as at least one official trade publication of the pornography industry, has raised considerable public attention toward my actions, and it has alerted me to the larger political consequences of those actions. While many of the criticisms online are based on inaccurate or incomplete information about my case, the feelings and concerns behind them are highly appropriate."Smear campain? Waa waa waa, poor Kyle, those (mostly) WOMEN bloggers were soooo mean and unfair to you! Listen, you fucking moron asshole, YOU VIOLATED that woman. Period. End game. Who is to blame? YOU! Got it, jerk? YOU. I hope to ALL that is sane or holy YOU pay for it. You have NO place in feminist spaces, no place where victimized women might be, no place speaking for or with us, you stain. YOU are a predator, got it? Did you even notice those "Prominant bloggers" were, from me, the pro-porn sex worker, to the MOST radical of feminists?
Did you fucking learn anything???? Here's a hint, Kyle...women do not want or need lying sack of shit "allies" like you....get it?
And your WHOLE post is pity pity me...what about HER, Kyle? You mention her in passing in that massive self serving missive? Wow, you suck. Women and feminism don't exist for YOU Kyle...in fact, you are the LAST thing either of them need.
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Smear campaigns are typically built on lies.
Also: I've said this elsewhere, but he talks about the assault as if it was something that happened to him, not something he did to a woman. Like he was the victim, seized by the orbital patriarchy mind control lasers, forcing him to assault a woman. It was totally beyond his control.
The whole post is just...eww, I feel ill reading it again.
I also have some doubts about his account of what happened. I mean, the police were called in for a reason – if he'd just taken a quick snapshot of her breast while she was unconscious and she was none the wiser, how did he get caught? There was probably more to it than that.
"The act itself is not something with which I identify, nor are the interests behind it. Indeed, for some time following the incident, I could not believe what had actually taken place."
Maybe this would have been believable if I hadn't read that he transfered the files from his phone onto his laptop, then left them on there untill it was seized.
He's got to stop externalising his problems and just deal with them himself.
Kyle is a microcosm of the dangerous dynamic of radical feminism. He and Maggie aren't so far apart even though they are worlds apart and I am by no means comparing her to a sexual predator. Agree or disagree with her or her politics, even her methods, but she is not kyle and nothing like him.
But the effects of radical feminism are there in both of them. It's appeal is to a person victimized by some sort of abuse. It's a movement that says welcome, join us, process your pain through talking with us about it, share with us about it. If it were in a support group/mental health setting with controls like neutral group leaders, etc, it probably could be a good thing for many. But this attach victim/survivors to recovery via fighting some mythical/monolithic enemy because justice isn't available is toxic. It is a blood bank for psychic vampires like Farley, a holy war for the high and mighty ones to use the lower hierarchy rad fems as cannon fodder to prove themselves as worthy. The last fucking thing someone that is recovering from trauma needs is to be put into a warrior environment fighting some thing seemingly so evil that it is viewed as an archy that has enslaved 3.5 billion people, taken over a culture or cultures and is some orchestrated plan when fact is it isn't.
Kyle didn't belong anywhere near radical feminism. It became nova cane for him to cover whatever he was feeling from his own past abuse. He was surrounded by victim/survivors and ultimately his hunger was too much. Like the sadistic cop surrounded by vulnerable people it is a matter of time before his belly became empty and he had to feed off a victim. His actions will forever change his victim.
Kyle belongs no where near feminist activism. Especially radical feminism where so many are so vulnerable. He tries to make the case that he is making amends, but the fact that his CV/marketing sheet is still up on his blog undermines all his I'm not doing anymore activism until I'm better shit. His diatribe about being smeared by pro porn bloggers. He still sees vast enemies and himself as the victim. Who knows whether his rad fem allies will eventually forgive and forget his atrocities because they need the token male pro feminist. Not to mention rad feminism is not a movement that tends to police itself. Had the SWR movement especially Ren made a huge amount of noise it is likely the rad fems would have covered this up for the sake of party loyalty, allowed him to stay because he's a valuable soldier in their Quixotic war.
If he truly wanted to face up to his crimes he wouldn't close comments to his amends letter and beg for women to write to him. He is still trolling. He probably doesn't even recognize this.
Kyle, dude, if you want to make amends and do it right, then open yourself up to people holding you accountable, take it like a fucking adult, don't make excuses, don't give reasons, just fucking take it, straight on without flinching to avoid the pain, look people in the eye that you have hurt and take their anger, their betrayal and whatever else they feel and give them the respect of honoring their feelings without inserting yourself into it. That would be a statement of being accountable and willing to face your crimes.
This woosey passive aggressive, please write me women, but in silence, sounds like you are trying to play the bottom that wants to still control. If you are making amends, you don't get to control. You take your punishment straight on, do it with dignity asking nothing in return, allow those you hurt to say what they need as long as they need to until they are whole again. Go to meetings not just with your therapist and supportive parents but with other sex offenders, because Kyle you are a sex offender, a sex addict, and until you face your peers, other sex offenders who will call you on your bullshit, you wont' be called on your bullshit fully because only other sex offenders truly will understand your thought process and motives.
Why do I get the feeling Kyle doesn't have the cojones or desire to make amends straight?
And Kyle, stay the fuck away from young women, especially ones that have been victims of abuse. Now that you have tasted blood, it will always be there.
If you want to make amends than do it right. If not than shut the fuck up as you are worse now than you were when you committed the act because now you are just getting off on the whole drama playing passive aggressive.
Heh. I noticed he closed comments on that letter. What makes me really pissed off about this is that he has a need to want to blame his own abuse for his actions rather than actually own them himself. It's one of most infuriating thing about people. Why is it so hard to own your own shit today?
Truly nauseating.
"Woops I didn't mean it, *I* wasn't in control," with some bonus sanctimonious fuckwittery.
Prick.
Fucking hell. I don't think examining your desires will help, Kyle. I think you need to rot in hell, personally.
"While caring for the female student, I felt a sudden impulse to expose her breast. Not knowing how to deal with this feeling at the time – and to put it more clearly, not knowing how to make sense of such an urge, given my personal values and my politics – I acted upon it. "
Oh, I don't know, how about just not acting on that particular urge (whether or not it "makes sense"), because the poor girl is not fucking conscious and can't consent to anything. I don't need to read any Andrea Dworkin to know that, fool.
"Not knowing how to make sense of such an urgenot knowing how to make sense of such an urge " – is this the "I didn't have time to examine my desires, so I didn't know what I was doing" defense?
"My reputation as a pro-feminist activist and an advocate for survivors has been seriously, and quite possibly irrevocably, compromised."
Ya think?
Oooh, but he's sad! And-and-and a victim too!!eleventypeepants!
It's the icing on the cake that this fucking douchecornet makes a big, showy fauxpology that still manages to be all about how awesome he is, and how he hurts. But he'll go off into noble seclusion, just to make us feel better. How magnanimous.
The thing is, Kyle, the public self-flagellation would be waaay more convincing if we couldn't hear you moaning while you do it. Just sayin'.
I was wondering if he was ever going to respond or whether he was just going to "stand mute" until the publicity faded.
Agreed.
Bastard.
*applauds*
Jill,
That was fucking brilliant.
Oh, I don't know, how about just not acting on that particular urge (whether or not it "makes sense"), because the poor girl is not fucking conscious and can't consent to anything. I don't need to read any Andrea Dworkin to know that, fool.
"Not knowing how to make sense of such an urgenot knowing how to make sense of such an urge " – is this the "I didn't have time to examine my desires, so I didn't know what I was doing" defense?
Yup.
Which, kind of loses even more credibility, if such a thing is possible, when one considers that the fucker left the filmed record of the "impulsive" gesture up on his computer for, how long was it now?
I also have some doubts about his account of what happened. I mean, the police were called in for a reason – if he'd just taken a quick snapshot of her breast while she was unconscious and she was none the wiser, how did he get caught? There was probably more to it than that.
Well, you know, Maud forbid I be -smearing- him here, understand that this bit is all speculation on my part.
But...the rumors, which at this point are just that, rumors, that he was being looked at originally for having child porn on his computer, do sort of gain at least a little strength in "possible" when one adds to all this that he's a very very unconscious person who's now claiming that he was sexually abused as a child.
And: well, as you say: why -were- they looking at his computer? It might be that the plaintiff had said she was assaulted (which would indeed mean there was more to it than a photo); we do know he got the original charges of "assault" removed with the plea bargain here;
and or, though: if it wasn't her, yeah, why would the school be looking at someone's computer files?
eh, who knows. All I know is: whether he was actually abused himself or not, all I take away from this latest revelation is that not only do I want him to stay the hell away from women, I want him to stay the hell away from kids, too.
Smear campaigns are typically built on lies.
Yeah, huh. Funny: what else is this reminding me of? -thinks- Well, it'll come to me in a second...
"douchecornet"
that wins the Internets for the day.
Jill has hit my thoughts right on the head. Especially the part about closing his blog to comments.
I hate that he is using his childhood abuse as a reason for why he violated that woman. What a fucking cop-out. There are plenty of people in the world who've had shitty pasts and yet somehow manage to not sexually assault an unconscious person. Asshole.
Oh, wow... Seconding what Kristen and Belle said--Jill, that really *was* fucking brilliant, and it should be its own post.
I am wondering if Kyle feels welcomed and forgiven yet? Asshat is getting everything he has coming to him.
Kyle Payne sucks, and Jill is awesome. Using political activism to bury your personal problems is never a good idea - it's also full of hubris, imo, to appoint yourself to a leadership position in the great world-fixing army when you haven't even attempted to fix yourself.
Belle - in spite of how much of a fuckhead this guy is, I still want to say I believe him. There's a lot of pressure in this world to shut up about abuse and to tell other people you don't believe them, so shut up, if they mention it. I believe people when they talk about abuse. I also know that that's what suffering is - people who've suffered do get full of impulses to inflict the same suffering on others. We need to either have some backbone and ignore those impulses or retire ourselves from the human race; past suffering can be the cause of a crime without it being in any way an excuse.
Damn right, and word to Jill here, too. I don't even care if he IS watching this. Bring it.
anyway, just for a second: on the one hand, it is true that some staggeringly high percentage of sexual offenders have sexual abuse in their past; on the other hand, it is also true that sociopaths do tend to work in the childhood abuse thing when they're caught; but not till then, see (unless they're using it to manipulate someone else). And that they're not unknown to lie, whether or not they actually are lying about -that.-
Point is: either way it shouldn't make a difference to his sentence.
I am wondering if Kyle feels welcomed and forgiven yet? Asshat is getting everything he has coming to him.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the apparent fact that he -thought- he'd somehow get a different response. I mean, how...? ...Oh, yeah, that's right: he's a total narcissist. Still, though.
thene: I wasn't trying to say I didn't believe him, actually; more, assuming it -is- true, for the exact reason you say--impulse to inflict the same suffering on others, plus the fact that he's apparently deeply unconscious and unwilling to take real responsibility for his actions--therefore, all the -more- reason to Keep Him The Hell Away From Women And Kids Too For That Matter.
and that whether it's true or not, he's using it cynically here as a way to manipulate the audience into lightening his sentence, which is not the point of coming to terms with one's own past trauma, frankly. Get therapy; still go to fucking jail.
The way I am interpreting the known facts - fiancee left him, other student was drunk and passed out - is that the fiancee probably tripped over the video images on his computer. Remember theses images date to January of 2007, but the investigation is far more recent.
Kyle seems to be trying to create a version of "battered woman syndrome" or more generally PTSD. The thing is, that holding a souvenier of your "temporary insanity" kind of limits your claim of having been temporarily insane, and triggered.
He's still marketing to the only groups where he can possibly find acceptance. Pro-porn sure won't touch him. He's never going to get any kind of couseling license. His best shot is a future narrating a story of him as victim/victimizer. And recall that "sin and redemption" still sells. He has the low-key teaser out, but the full self-flagellation and tears show is gonna cost ya. Besides, maybe he has a future as a jail house Radfem preacher. I'm sure he'll cast this as being his restitution to his victim. "I hurt you, but I'll save someone else!"
But no one here is likely to ante up, and I'll bet big money that Ren somehow missed his press release mailing list. Maybe heartless "smear"ers don't get that privelidge. I'm sure Ren's all broken up about that.
Roykay--
I thought he was the one who left the fiancee.
Oh, stop me before I go into The Young and the Kyle Payne
he'll be better off going straight for the fundamentalist right, then, they eat that shit up with a spoon.
Oops,
I had a good theory till you messed it up with facts, uneFemmePlusCourageuse.
6/18/08 Breakup http://kylepayne.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/relationships-part-ii-wedding-bells/
2/14/08 Story, refering to a 10 month investigation (wwhich would put it back to 04/07
http://kicdam.com/skin/blurb.php?sectionId=176&contentId=1567344
Events happened on 01/03/07, which raises the question of why he was investigated. Still leaves the question of why the investigation, given the unconscious victim. Either someone else had access to his computer or he uploaded it somewhere.
This whole smear campaign bullshit of his. No there isn't. This isn't political. A feminist position would be to say expose me. I fucked up and sexually violated someone and part of taking responsibility is taking the wrath of women, regardless of politics, and dealing with it without wusy excuses or seeing conspiracy. So in other words it's ok for his rad fem sisters to call him on his bullshit over and over but if Ren does it, or belledame does it, then it's political.
Kyle you sexually assaulted a woman. That makes it a womans issue. It makes it personal to women. Just because we are sex workers or sex worker rights does not mean that we are throw away or that our lives mean less and that it is honorable to face up to your rad fem sisters but scream victimization from the evil pro porn types.
A pro porn woman can be raped just as quickly as an anti porn one. And it hurts both just as much. And if anyone says a pro porn woman deserves it. Fuck them. No one deserves to be raped, assaulted, violated. No one. Whether one is vehemently anti porn or a porn actress she has absolute right over her body and when that is taken it is a brutal crime of violence.
Brenneman--
Yes, and also--making it all about Ren? Making it "a pro-porn blogger's smear campaign," when it was Eleanor's Trousers who did the original exposure? Not mentioning all the anti-porn bloggers who joined with Ren on this? A bit dishonest, don't you think? And honestly, no matter how much porn Ren has watched and participated in, it's all be consensual. I would think Payne doesn't have a leg to stand on in the anti-porn community considering his penchant for nonconsensual photography and child porn. If anything, he's the one who's smearing.
If anybody is going to write a letter to the judge about this, it should be pointed out that, regardless of what he gets in terms of a jail sentence, as a condition of release, this guy really needs to be blocked (preferably for life) from rape and sexual abuse counseling, or any other position where he's in a position of power or trust with survivors or anybody similarly vulnerable, or any position where he has access to kids. I'm not sure if the mere fact that he'll have a sex offender record will accomplish that, but it wouldn't hurt if that was made a specific part of his sentence.
Oh, and he should probably be barred from attending high-school girls basketball games too, given his record and proclivities.
"I created a wiki in his dishonor. I know very little about the case except for how outrageous it is. If anyone thinks they can do a much better job at creating his own personal wiki go for it. Let's make sure he is reminded everyday for what he did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_payne"
And it seems the page was just as rapidly dropped, with the reason: "No indication that the article meets inclusion guidelines."
Which I happen to agree with – Wikipedia has rules about article subjects having a certain degree of notability before being included, and being briefly "internet famous" isn't one of them. Also, Wikipedia isn't the place to post out-and-out hit pieces on people – that contradicts all kinds of rules there.
Try Encyclopedia Dramatica – you can write any smack you want about somebody there, without need for verification. Bonus points for making it "lulz-worthy".
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