Saturday, November 15, 2008

That’s Right! I am scum! And proud of it!

An Open Letter To Cheryl Seelhoff:

You amuse me, you know that right? I know you read here, and since you’re too fucking pathetic to actually publish comments from people you find icky on your blog, I figured I might as well just do this here.

Now, your chastising of Jill was quite an entertaining read…I mean, how dare she associate with the likes of me, right? How dare she let someone like me blog at Feministe and such, right? How dare she not see me as the dangerous and destructive animal you see me as, right? Bad Jill, no creds. And oh, I know, the company I keep! How shocking! Pornographers and people into BDSM and…gasp…dungeon masters (roflmao, for real…the only “dungeon masters” I hang with are the ones who get real pissed if you continually roll natural twenties and seemingly have an endless supply of fireball spells ready).

And really, I have to say, my blog here, it’s not exactly some Orwellian thing like the Ministry of Love. I’m not converting the masses to the perverted path of Gonzo Righteousness, or torturing them for failure to comply with engagement in the type of sex and sexuality I prefer. I’m not telling people to make or watch pornography, or that they have to like it. There is none of that going on here, Cheryl. I mean, come on…

“Are you putting that out in the street? Are you filming this kind of sex and putting it out there for public consumption? Are you talking about what you’re doing 24/7 on your blogs in the company of, for example, guys who are the creators of extreme SM pornography and magazines affiliated with Hustler Magazine, in the company of various dungeon masters and you name it, all of whom are creating these kinds of materials — brutal, violent, degrading, humiliating sex for public view — for the general public? I don’t think you are. And no, whatever you’re doing, or other women are doing, for free in their own houses is not what I’m talking about there.”

I mean sure, I talk about porn a lot. I also talk about a lot of other shit, from football to law to media to...er...gladiators and writing and art. My LJ? Pretty much fiction writing central at the moment...hey, I'm working on one right now about a female police officer! And for the record, Cheryl, I have never filmed or been in a scene which included rape, torture, or murder. Ever. Porn that actually depicts things akin to rape, torture and murder is not nearly as prevalent and popular as you would like to make the world believe. And the whole screed on neo-nazi hate speech and such…google stormfront, genius. They aren’t exactly being shut up now, are they? And you know what, any even passing comparison to myself and various others to, oh, Nazi’s? Bad fucking form, very, very bad fucking form.

Let’s now have a quick roll in the fisk, shall we?

‘So when I encounter women who have allied themselves with powerful white, heterosexual men (Hustler and its affiliates) and who every day are making a public statement that really, brutal sex is good times, really torture is good times, when I encounter women who agree with male power that the fact that money exchanged hands equals consensual sex, I’m calling it out as publicly as it is being put out there by whoever is putting it out there, and particularly if they are identifying as profeminist.”

I’m gonna re-write this with, oh, some actual truth: “So when I encounter women who have allied themselves with working, Jewish, heterosexual men who have been there for them throughout some truly hellish shit, but happen to be affiliated with Hustler and who make statements that they, personally, enjoy brutal sex but say everyone else should do it how they prefer, have never said torture is a good time, when I encounter women who agree with, well, pretty much no one but do think a woman has a right to sell sex if she chooses to do so, I’m calling it out publicly to make myself look great and her look like a fucking animal, even if the woman in question does not identify as a feminist.”

“When I encounter women who do this for free because it’s just so damn much fun, guaranteed, I’m calling that out.”

Because you're better than that woman, eh Cheryl?

“Because what they are doing harms all of us — men and women, boys and girls — in a way that what each of us does in private never can, does or will.”

And what you do harms no one, right? Lying and distorting shit for an agenda causes no harm at all, to anyone, ever. That evil fucking sellout mercenary probably guts kittens in her spare time, You, however, are saintly.

“ (Which does not mean we should not be talking a lot about what we all do in private, we should be.)”


Because why yes, what goes on privately in the bedrooms of consenting adults is totally your business, right? People out there are doing it wrong!

“What they are doing is promoting, advocating for, phenomena, practices that shore up male heterosupremacy at its very core. And in the process, of course, they shame and erase all the girls and women in the world victimized by all the men who want and buy and make this shit and who are enriched and benefitted by it, with the result that these girls and women are effectively “beaten over the head” and “shamed” for men’s sexual pleasure.”

That’s right fuckers, I, Ren, have a goddamn mind control/conditioning center ala A Clockwork Orange set up in my Industrialized Sexual Torture Compound. You totally figured me out…I am out to see women get raped and tortured and shame survivors. WTF are you smoking, Cheryl?

“ I’d suggest, Jill, that your outrage might be misplaced and better directed to those who end up even more likely to be victimized because, heck, privileged white women do it for free, the cool kids do it for free, put a smile on their face and tell the whole world how great it really is, as a cast of male porn publishers, Hustler Magazine, Larry Flynt and consumers of violent, misogynist imagery applaud wildly. Yeah, that’s helpful. That really brings us closer to our full humanity as women.”

You know, Cheryl, I’d really like to see you, Ms Blue-Eyed Blonde Former Self Described Bombshell/ Give Me Money to Move a Tree off “MY LAND” and send me to fucking Mich Fest call me, Slavic Jew Girl who came from fucking nothing a privileged white woman to my fucking face. For real. I would like to see you stand there, eye to eye with me, and say that. And when I smile, I do it because I am happy, Cheryl. I don’t get paid to smile. I do that for free too. Pfft, if that's your fucking humanity as women, I'll pass.

And you know, there is something Cheryl has missed in all of this ranting, I might add…and that is the fact amid all that soulless, brutal porn I am responsible for, sometimes the people getting brutalized and roughed up and degraded are…the men.

Oops.

Sis & Stormy: Yawn.

And, because considering my mood and all, general recent real life crap and all, and how full of shit the lot of you are and all…I’m going to say a few small things.

Ahem.

I would take Ernest, and the Sex Workers Rights Folk, and Jill F and the Feministe Crew, and my porny friends- male and female- to a million of you. I, at this point, do not care about you, or how what I do affects you, or any of that other shit. At all. Shrug.

Also, since it seems to bear constant repeating because you all seem too fucking dense to get it: I am not a feminist. I have no use for or love of your brand of feminism. Do not use the word in the same sentence in conjunction with me again, really. I do not agree with you, or support your agenda, or any other such thing, and you all…well shit, you make my skin crawl…and its hard to make a creepy scum mercenary like myself feel oogy like that…but somehow, your Mama Knows Best Attitude does just that. Hell, if I could afford to buy Wyoming and give it to you for your perfect little feminist utopia, I’d do it, just to get away from Loving, Caring, Women Like You.

And I gotta say, fine loving womyn so peacefully there, what kind of a fucking coward meatsack calls a woman out then via her oh so precious moderation prevents her from defending and/or clarifying herself? Fuckin' pathetic.

XXX & Flame on, it makes me grin-
That Creepy Misanthropic Mercenary Scumbag Sellout

24 comments:

Amber Rhea said...

Dungeon masters... LOL.

And, Cheryl can suck *my* strap-on in hell.

Amber Rhea said...

When I encounter women who do this for free because it’s just so damn much fun, guaranteed, I’m calling that out.

Ahhhh yes, nothing like some good old-fashioned shaming a woman for her sexual behavior! The height of feminism, let me tell you!

Anonymous said...

Well, Ren, I guess we've become permanently associated in what I'll loosely call "the minds" of Cheryl and all twelve of those who pay attention to her.

Personally, I'm deeply honored by that association.

And as for what she and her lickspittle acolytes may think of me, with enemies like them, who needs friends? Everything they say just encourages everything I do.

I hope they know that, but I don't think they know much, so I don't count on it.

But what I do count on is that my real friends will be there for me, as I will be for them, and in a way than none of these professional hand-wringers will be for any sex worker, as they demonstrate by opposing anything whatsoever that might improve the lives of sex workers anywhere.

If they want to know where to find the real hate speech toward women who engage in sex work, they should start by reading their own comments. And if they're looking for those complicit in the oppression and mistreatment of sex workers, the mirror would be an excellent place to begin.

Ernest

Renegade Evolution said...

Ernest:

"Personally, I'm deeply honored by that association."

Likewise.

"And as for what she and her lickspittle acolytes may think of me, with enemies like them, who needs friends? Everything they say just encourages everything I do.

I hope they know that, but I don't think they know much, so I don't count on it."

You know....EXACTLY. EXACTLY! I'm not quite sure how they haven't figured that out yet, you know? How they've missed some of their, ahem, inspirational roles, stuns me.

I am one of those surly sorts after all...If they want some beast to point at and say "Oh MY, SCARY!" at over (and over, and over again), well, I will be more than happy to give them one.

PaulRein said...

And you know what, any even passing comparison to myself and various others to, oh, Nazi’s? Bad fucking form, very, very bad fucking form.

But inevitable, due to Godwin's Law. Also, generally taken as instant fail of argumentation which means that you win by default. (Not that you need it.)

Roy Kay said...

"We know what is healthy and we will decide on what messages can and can not be sent. You're is to obey."

Might make a good domme if Cheryl remembered to get consent, but consent really ain't her thing. You can only consent to what she thinks is healthy for you.

queen emily said...

"when I encounter women who agree with male power that the fact that money exchanged hands equals consensual sex, I’m calling it out as publicly as it is being put out there by whoever is putting it out there, and particularly if they are identifying as profeminist.”

She knows better than you when you consent. If anyone would know, it's Cheryl, for she has a consent detector hooked up to her brain that lets her know about the decisions of EVERY SINGLE WOMAN EVAH.

(it always beeps "no" btw, unless there is a clear-eyed lesbean gaze and some Indigo Girls playing in the background).

Iamcuriousblue said...

"And the whole screed on neo-nazi hate speech and such…google stormfront, genius. They aren’t exactly being shut up now, are they?"

It shows how little Heart even understands basic constitutional law. Putting aside the hugely flawed comparison between hate speech and porn for a moment, there is no "hate speech" exception to the First Amendment in the US. (There are such exceptions to free speech in other countries, but its pretty clear that she was talking about American law here.) If she thinks that, that's yet another error of fact she's laboring under. (One of the many.)

And, actually, Seelhoff and Co should thank their lucky stars hate speech is protected political speech in the US, because if we had anti-hate speech laws along the lines of Canada, Womensspace would be liable for the anti-trans hate speech seen so often there.

NBarnes said...

*grumble grumble anti-essentialism ur doin it wrong*

Debs said...

But let's look on the bright side, folks - she could have been the next President of the USA if it wasn't for you pesky kids!

Kim said...

Blink.

So does this mean you didn't vote for her, Ren?

I got a major beef with this from the same comment by CLS:

"We talk a lot as radical feminists ... about “social construction”, about the way nothing is “essential,” nothing is “inherent” or “immutable,” in other words, about the way people are not “just born that way.” People are the way they are not only because of accidents or incidents of their births but because of what they see in the world, what they learn in the world."

What she puts forth here is that honest-to-goodness misogynists are entitled to some sort of pardon for their actions. That, due to their exposure to porn etc., their sexuality was shaped, that is it not their fault if they get off on abusing women.

Let me tell you CLS: the person who abused me as a teenager GETS NO FREE PASS. This person is a piece of shit who enjoyed hurting/humiliating women and porn did not "make" him or "shape" him that way, okay?

He is fully responsible for his actions. There IS no "Well, if not for the porn that I just couldn't help viewing as I was inundated with it in my boyhood against my will (sob!) I would have loved and cherished women!" excuse.

That, CLS, is not my feminism.
Once again, nice harm reduction there, "sister."

Additionally, explain this to me, CLS: You aver since porn is a big problem, then every boy/man naturally sees it at one time or another. Thus, his sexuality is inescapably shaped via porn -- and all porn is "bad." How is then, that every man is NOT a rapist/abuser, as by your definition, every man has been thus "shaped?"

Via CLS/radical feminist theory:

Abusers get a free Not Born That Way But Shaped! pass.
Men who don't rape don't get "cookies."

Therefore: rapists are forgiven to a degree and non-rapists get jack shit?

My head hurts.
I can't even believe she would write that.
I truly can't.

Cara said...

You know what I like? I like the fact that we asked you to guest-blog because we like your writing, but having you also serves the dual purpose of keeping the likes of these folks away from the blog. That's a pretty awesome and totally accidental bonus, at least in my book.

Renegade Evolution said...

Cara; Heh, thanks ;)

Kim: For real, you just can't make up shit that flawed now, can ya?

SnowdropExplodes said...

Also, since it seems to bear constant repeating ... I am not a feminist. I have no use for or love of your brand of feminism.

I think this is the only area where I think I disagree with you, Ren. I know you don't self-identify as feminist, but to my eyes you're one of the most feminist folks I know - and CLS, however much she claims to be a feminist, seems to have some serious issues with women having autonomy and therefore to my mind, is not quite as feminist as you are!

For sure, we have no use or love for her brand of "feminism", but I don't think her brand is the real McCoy!

But then, what would I know? I'm a hetero male dominant sadist, so in her view I'm disqualified from having an opinion about feminism, on about five or six counts!

Anthony Kennerson said...

Cara...be careful of what you ask for; I still remember the time when Blanche and her crew tried a takeover of Alas, a Blog after they discovered that Barry had sold his domain to a porn site. I'm sure that they are more than capable of attempting a similar coup there.

But my all time favorite is how she attempts to call out Jill for her associations with Ren, through Ren's associations with Ernest (and by the usual guilt-by-association, Larry Flynt of HUSTLER) without even mentioning their names:

Are you putting that out in the street? Are you filming this kind of sex and putting it out there for public consumption? Are you talking about what you’re doing 24/7 on your blogs in the company of, for example, guys who are the creators of extreme SM pornography and magazines affiliated with Hustler Magazine, in the company of various dungeon masters and you name it, all of whom are creating these kinds of materials — brutal, violent, degrading, humiliating sex for public view — for the general public? I don’t think you are. And no, whatever you’re doing, or other women are doing, for free in their own houses is not what I’m talking about there. [emphasis added by me]

The translation by me, as I wrote last night at the SmackChron in my through fisking of Heart's madness (available in two parts):

Shorter translation of Heart: That’s right, Ernest Greene…I’m calling your ass out right now, you brutal slaveholding rapist murderer male leftist MAN. You might be able to force Nina Hartley to be your concubine and “willing slave”….errrrrr….life partner and wife, and sell your brutal S&M deSade festivals and mass rapes to the public as “consensual BDSM”, and collude with that child molestor/serial racist Larry Flynt in imprisoning women with meat grinders…but we radicalfeminists are hep to ‘ya. And that goes for you too, Kink.com….we know that you were really behind Abu Gharib; just fess up and admit it.

Of course, she could have saved all the drama and just addressed Ernest and Ren by name and be done with it....but I guess Heart just can't go without the histrionics.

The freakin' Mount Everest of ULTRA FAIL.


Anthony

Daisy said...

I just have to say, WOW and WAY TO GO to Jill and Ren for causing Heart to go off on a JONATHAN EDWARDS sermon. Once you get the Calvinists started, hold on to your butt! I mean: "Ha. Bitter and really, really cynical ha."--this is probably as stirred up as I have ever seen Heart. Seriously, she needs a lecturn/podium she can bang for emphasis after every few sentences.

See, if they'd only have let Heart become a full-fledged minister in Calvary Chapel, she would never have jumped ship and would be ranting the same way in church instead of on "Woman's Space" --where of course, most women aren't even allowed to post due to Heart's hyper-strict ANTI FEMINIST standards.

What's scary is: she wouldn't have to change a single word of that sermon, either. It would fit in perfectly in any fundie church service,

Daisy said...

If that means I get called out for “shaming” or “beating women over the head” or being a bad feminist, then it will, I guess.

Dr Dobson speaking there.

Daisy said...

Why does Heart have so many pro-sex bloggers in her blogroll? Should I tell her which ones? (This shows how seriously she takes other feminist women--doesn't even read their blogs.) If she took off everyone who disagreed with her, she wouldn't have many left, though... so I guess it makes her look more tolerant than she really is. (But it also makes her look like a delusional liar, as usual.)

Catseye said...

Snowdropexplodes - I AGREE!!! Ren is a feminist because the word does mean a person who is against sexism. And, for the most part, CLS is not because she is just a pretentious blowhard who is dismissive of other women's lives and experiences.

belledame222 said...

AK: No, you have your history wrong. Heart tried to co-opt a permanent place for herself and her "radical feminists" on Alas when Barry had invited her to guest blog, once; a bit like someone inviting you to their party and your announcing that you'll accept their invitation to live there only on condition that you can redecorate the living room to your liking and clear out all the booze.

That didn't fly; and she kind of wandered away.

some months or years later, the porn-gate-thingie happened, and Heart was shocked, SHOCKED, and vow'd never to darken Amp's doorstep again, which, you know, in that instance at least, -crickets-, because she really hadn't been at all...

She's such a git.

Anthony Kennerson said...

Quoting Belledame:

AK: No, you have your history wrong. Heart tried to co-opt a permanent place for herself and her "radical feminists" on Alas when Barry had invited her to guest blog, once; a bit like someone inviting you to their party and your announcing that you'll accept their invitation to live there only on condition that you can redecorate the living room to your liking and clear out all the booze.

That didn't fly; and she kind of wandered away.

some months or years later, the porn-gate-thingie happened, and Heart was shocked, SHOCKED, and vow'd never to darken Amp's doorstep again, which, you know, in that instance at least, -crickets-, because she really hadn't been at all...



Fair enough...and I will make the correction of the record at my blog. Thankee.


Anthony

Amber Rhea said...

Seriously, she needs a lecturn/podium she can bang for emphasis after every few sentences.

Ha! I can just see it.

Jill said...

Jeez. I haven't been able to stomach going back there since leaving that comment, but since someone has now said that I'm no better than Larry Flynt, I suppose I'll stay away. (If only I were as rich as Larry Flynt!).

I don't know how you do it, Ren. I can't stand to read Heart's comment sections, let alone respond.

lady_beca said...

i think i love you... and i think i have to agree with the others who have said heart is not a feminist and you kinda are.