& people who are not blogging about him because they do not want to give him the attention he so desperately craves…
First off, Kyle.
You have a lot of fucking nerve. I’ll go ahead and say it: I want you off the Internet, I want you to never have contact of any sort with women, I want you do drop the words feminist & pro-feminist from your vocabulary because you in no way deserve to use them. You need to stop talking about sexism, violence against women, and rape, because you, Kyle, are a sexual predator. You need to stop linking to any sort of feminist or rape survivor blog, because you are part of the very reason such things are even needed. You should still be in jail, and the fact that you gloss over all this and still write as if you are a good little feminist man with credibility and actual concern is a fucking affront not even I can leave unchallenged. I may not be a big fan of radical anti porn feminism, but you are a fucking slap in the face to everything they stand for and you do not deserve to be in such company or even associated in the most tangent of ways with those women. And I promise you this…anyone who ever Googles your name- well, I will make it my personal mission to see that they know what you have done and what you really are. The first amendment allows me to do exactly that. All the self aggrandizing bullshit in the world will never change your actions: actions that you and you alone are responsible for, and the fact that you pretend like none of it ever happened, show no real remorse or responsibility, and go on with your life and writing like you give a crap about women, rape and feminism is nauseating. Do you get it, Kyle? You are a sex offender, you have no place in rape crisis situations, feminism, or around women at all.
And now, for the people who do not want to write about Kyle:
You’re right, he probably does want the attention. However, I think people knowing the truth about him is more important. I think knowing when he tries to rewrite history by not mentioning his criminal record and linking to feminist blogs…some of them the very same blogs who called him out over his crime, it needs to be noted. In short, I don’t think, as has happened with so many sexual predators before him, Kyle’s crime should be forgotten, swept under the rug, allowed to fade away. I don’t think he should get to write on and whatnot like it never happened…which is exactly what he is doing. And nah, none of you all are forced to agree with me on that, but saying “oh, he is scumbag and a predator but I don’t want to give him the attention”? Well, it is just this sort of attention that will let people know who had what he really is and what he is done, because Kyle himself sure as hell is not forthcoming about it…and you know, I’d rather have some co-ed at a University where Kyle is lurking reading what anyone of us has said about him than being taken in by his bullshit and whitewashed blog. Considering his track record, wouldn’t you too?
Wednesday, March 18, 2009
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Right the fuck on.
Couldn't have said it better myself in a million years. Word.
(Also, "Word." said with a British accent just doesn't have the same ring to it. I'm glad you can't hear my accent when I type.)
I think he has become aware that he is not welcome- as he seems to have removed some of the more extreme "I am a compassionate and supportive feminist male rape counsellor" posts from his blog since yesterday.
Anyway - have posted something
Amen.
I should probably post something... will do, once I have a moment.
Sign my name to that 3rd long paragraph.
I really, really hate this guy.
My post just went up.
Hope it does some good
Outis
Well said.
I included a mention with links to the old stuff, but I'm not linking his new blog, fuck him.
tell you what, I'm going to put a permanent link in the sidebar, so that when this latest flurry of interest dies down again it's still there for reference.
Payne is a creepy fuck. He obviously has some kind of protector fetish, and gets off on imagining himself saving damsels in distress. But where the rubber hits the road, he is just a sick fuck sexual predator who used his supposed "good guy" status to gain access to women in vulnerable situations for the purpose of preying on them.
This motherfucker again. I posted on him (thanks for helping sway me to - I wasn't planning on giving him the attention, but what you said makes sense). I seriously am having a hard time believing that this asshole can still be at it. I mean, really.
Gross. I literally screamed after hearing about this sick fuck. I never would have known were it not for you and Nine Deuce over at Rage Against the Man-chine. I've been reading some of the other great posts on this creep too. I mean, really, a sex offender being anti-rape? There are all kinds of reasons why that makes my skin crawl, one of which being the disgusting falsity. I can just imagine him using his weird little crafted identity to sexually assault other women, and of all the ways that comes about, this to me is especially painful and saddening.
-Lindsay
See I understand how pain can manifest as anger, or other emotions.
I even admit it has gotten the better of me at times, but I have found a better way through such trials by fire.
So if you need any counseling on how to escape your past and present life as a patriarchal slave, please let me know. I remain faithfully dedicated to fighting the plight of women worldwide. But I can only help those who help themselves first.
Fear not, one day, we shall overcome!!
Kyle, what part of this don't you get? You gave up your feminist card when you assaulted that co-ed.
Get a clue dude!
There is no "we" Kyle, fuck right off.
Okay, probably goes without saying, but I did not write the comment from 'KP'.
So if you need any counseling on how to escape your past and present life as a patriarchal slave, please let me know. I remain faithfully dedicated to fighting the plight of women worldwide. But I can only help those who help themselves first.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!?
"So if you need any counseling on how to escape your past and present life as a patriarchal slave, please let me know."
O.o
Are you fucking KIDDING, Kyle?
That was some kind of joke, right? You've got too much time on your hands so you thought you'd troll "the enemy"?
Wow. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" indeed.
"Won't get fooled again."
Attention y'all.
KP is not the real Kyle Payne. FYI.
Damn
When I hit the submit button, I got this really yucky feeling something wasn't right...
Mr. Payne I offer my apology.
This time.
Outis
I would appreciate any feedback visitors to this blog would be willing to share on the proposed disclaimer below. This message would appear on individual posts related to feminism (as of the twenty minutes ago, it does appear, but I can incorporate changes). I could also develop a similar statement for bio pages and others.
Please feel free to comment here, or you may email me at kyle.d.payne@gmail.com.
Thank you.
Kyle
DISCLAIMER: This post is rooted in a feminist/pro-feminist analysis, and as a result, it may lead readers to assume certain things about me politically and personally (e.g. that I am living, have lived, and will continue to live a responsible, pro-feminist lifestyle). The fact is, I committed a crime in January 2007, sexually violating a woman who was under my care as a resident advisor in college. I ask that you keep this information in mind when evaluating my comments in this post, as well as if you engage me in dialogue. Please read this post (listed as "Because you deserve to know" on the "All Posts" page) for more information.
ZOMG. This little fuckneck is amazing. Frankly, although he creeps me right out, we do need to be watchful. Somewhere in his reptilian brain there's a plot to hurt more women.
And, to Mr. Payne-in-the-Ass, as I believe many people said out loud before you went to jail, get off the feminism for a few decades and do something else. This isn't your, er, forte. No woman who knows about you is ever going to feel safe with you and no woman will be safe with you until you understand what you don't yet understand. There isn't a way through this to redemption in the feminist community - you just can't manipulate things to your advantage among feminists ever again. The fact that you can't give it up and get lost is creepy and says more about you than you seem to understand.
KP has a link to the Iowa GIRLS HIGH SCHOOL Athletic Union! Why would that be?
"I would appreciate any feedback visitors to this blog would be willing to share on the proposed disclaimer below."
I believe that your disclaimer is complete and total bullshit. Why do I believe that your disclaimer is complete and total bullshit? Because you shouldn't even have anything feminist or even woman-related on your blog at all. Given that I believe that your ass should still be sitting in a jail cell, you shouldn't even have a blog.
You have forfeited any right you ever had to be involved in feminist-related activities in any capacity or fashion. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, you've forfeited your right to even be within 50 feet of anyone with a vagina.
So I held my nose and went over there to Payne's toxic waste site and what did I find? A bogus rad-fem version of the twinkie defense:
"Despite the fact that I have spoken out regularly in the past about the pervasiveness of the “rape culture” in our society, and pointed out various ways men are socialized to objectify, degrade, and in a host of other ways, harm women, I failed to recognize and confront my own identification with sexism and male dominance. I forgot what should have been overwhelmingly clear from my involvement with feminism – that all men living in a patriarchal system, even those who struggle against it, act in ways that are sexist and benefit from these actions. But, even though no man is ever cured of his allegiance to sexism, he can consciously and consistently alter his behavior to reflect a more enlightened and loving way of life. Doing so requires a level of vigilance and self-criticism that I was clearly not applying in my life when this incident occurred."
Riiight. Just like porn "made" Ted Bundy commit his crimes, the evil influence of The Patriarchy made him commit his. It's not his fault. He just failed to realize you were under an evil enchantment.
Even though he takes full responsibility, of course.
The fact that this post is still up says everything that needs saying about the "rehabilitation" of the individual in question.
Still a liar. Still a threat.
God, Ernest... sickening.
"A bogus rad-fem version of the twinkie defense:"
There isn't anything remotely radical feminist about Kyle Payne or his bullshit defense.
Faith,
I agree, hence the use of the word "bogus."
"I agree, hence the use of the word "bogus.""
I see. Given your usual venom against radical feminists, I read the sentence as being you believed radical feminist theory was bogus, not that his usage of something that only vaguely resembles radical feminist theory was bogus.
Faith,
My venom against radical feminists notwithstanding, and I fully cop to it, BTW, a shitty alibi is a shitty alibi, hence the comparison to the twinkie defense. Any attempt to defer blame for any individual's crimes onto some generalized outside influence, whether pornography, patriarchy or twinkies, will meet with the same derision from me.
I believe in giving all devils their due equally. Radical feminists have their own sins to answer for, but Payne's are not among them. His vile deeds are his and his alone.
Just because I disagree with a political philosophy doesn't mean I can't recognize and deplore its misuse as a cover for the deplorable behavior of someone who falsely claims to be one of its adherents.
I had no intention of turning this thread into yet another ideological battleground. I would hope we could find common ground in this case.
"Any attempt to defer blame for any individual's crimes onto some generalized outside influence, whether pornography, patriarchy or twinkies, will meet with the same derision from me."
I'm not going to get into a real debate with you over radical feminist theory. Suffice to say, if you believe radical feminists state that the patriarchy is to blame for the individuals behavior, I believe you have made a serious misinterpretation.
There's a major difference between acknowledging influence and deferring blame from the individual.
Faith,
For someone who doesn't want "a real debate" on radical feminist theory, you seem rather deteremined to call me out on the subject.
Again, I'm not addressing radical feminist theory on this thread and have no interest in debating you about it, at least under this heading, whatsoever.
To set the record straight, while I do think there is an inherent and "problematic" connection between theories that tend to define broad swaths of individual behavior, even partially, as by-products of societal influences (see recent debate on BDSM for examples), in this instance I am limiting my critique entirely to Payne's use of such theories to try and worm out of responsibility for his own actions.
Without igniting that general debate, I do think elements of radical feminist theory leave the door open to such excuses by constantly "questioning" concepts like "agency" and "consent" where individual choice is concerned.
While there is certainly a difference between "acknowledging influence and deferring blame from the individual," that distinction has been blurred by some radical feminists in many discussions of personal decision-making involving sexual behavior.
In this instance, however, the blurring isn't coming from any kind of feminist and does not in any way bear on the legitmacy of any theory. If radical feminism weren't available as an intellectual fig-leaf for this criminal, he would come up with something else, as did Ted Bundy, who I used as an example in my original comparison.
In no way am I attempting to implicate radical feminsim in Payne's actions or his lame defense of them, which you seem to imply that I am. Much as I dislike radical feminism, about which I might be a tad bit better informed than you suggest here, my comments on this thread are aimed entirely at Payne and his distortion and misuse of that theory.
Though I had hoped I made myself clear on this already, I'll say it again. Whatever my opinions of any political ideology, it is sheer effrontery to appropriate it as an excuse for heinous crimes committed by any individual.
If you think I have some other intent in what I'm saying here, you are making a serious misinterpretation.
Perhaps you think my "venom" toward radical feminists makes it impossible for me to defend even an ideology I reject from distortion and misuse by a sociopathic predator. If so, you are mistaken.
One more time, Payne's misdeeds are entirely on his own head, whatever nonsense he may have cooked up inside it to justify that behavior.
Whether or not you wish to call me out on my views regarding radical feminsim, I would hope you would agree that this is an entirely inappropriate instance on which to do so and I would very much like to avoid pushing this thread off-topic with further exchanges of this type.
On another day in another place I would have no hesitation about addressing broader issues related to radical feminist theory with you or anyone else, but this is not the time or the place for that.
Neither I nor my ideas are the focus here, and I reject any attempt to shfit that focus off of the person at whom it is rightly directed.
"Whatever my opinions of any political ideology, it is sheer effrontery to appropriate it as an excuse for heinous crimes committed by any individual."
YES, THAT! RIGHT THERE!
I am no fan of a great deal of radical feminist theory either, but the fact that this asshat USED that theory as a cover and an excuse pisses me off. Same way other people use various other excuses (religion, politic, porn, BDSM, music, movies, whatever) to try to gloss over their OWN bad behavior.
"For someone who doesn't want "a real debate" on radical feminist theory, you seem rather deteremined to call me out on the subject."
Not really, no. Which is why I'm not responding to anything else that you say.
Sigh. There's always one, isn't there?
Faith,
"Not really, no. Which is why I'm not responding to anything else that you say."
Thanks for putting that in writing. I hope you'll adhere to this policy rigorously.
I agree with you completely. When I first found out that he was back online I went to his site and left him a nasty message which of course he did not publish. He needs to be told forcefully exactly what a criminal douche he is. I cannot believe that after what he did that he had the nerve to link to feminist blogs. Hopefully any woman that he gets involved with will google his name and find out the truth about him because he clearly cannot be trust to disclose his actions publicly.
Allow me to join in the consensus here.
Sorry, Kyle, but you lost any shred of authority to claim anything to any feminist -- radical or otherwise -- when you attacked that co-ed.
And all that you are doing with your pithy pontification is to make things that much worse and make you even more of a creep and an asshole than you were originally.
Ever heard of quitting while you are behind?? Try showing some real remorse and humility for a change and simply SHUT. THE. HELL. UP. Like...FOREVER.
Also, to Faith: try to focus on the subject at hand, rather than simply attempt to score brownie points against Ernest. Like him or not, on this issue, he is more in agreement with you than not. (As is I am.)
Anthony
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